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The article was nominated two days after creation. It is long enough and appears comprehensive. Google Translate allows for a basic inspection of the sources, and I see nothing of concern. ALT1 is superior indeed, both in sentence structure and hookiness. In fact, the original hook is hardly interesting, but the same fact is framed well in the alternative hook. --Surtsicna (talk) 11:17, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is difficult for me to tell with certainty because of the language/script barrier, but you might be right. Unfortunately these are the sources for the hook and for the identity of the man in the photograph. I did a reverse image search and could not find another source confirming that the man in the photograph is the subject of the article. Yusuf Asar Yathar, Faldi00, can we get a better source? --Surtsicna (talk) 10:50, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Question: A few refs say that they were retrieved in 2020. I'm assuming this had a longer draft history than what I'm seeing here, but is there another explanation? ~ Pbritti (talk) 16:13, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I hate to be saying this so late after you've nominated this article, but I have notability concerns. A cursory review of WP:NEVENT suggests that the coverage ranging from only within a month of when the game was played raises concerns regarding whether it merits an article. If there's a localized standard/guideline that permits divisional playoff games to have a presumed notability (I wouldn't be surprised, as I guess that makes sense), then please let me know. Thanks for the clarification. ~ Pbritti (talk) 16:31, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry Launchballer, don't know how I missed this. I think nine straight losses, especially in the NFL, is an interesting statistic. For generally any sports fan, that many straight losses is unexpected and unique. Do you have any suggestions? I'm not sure i find SL93 that "hooky". « Gonzo fan2007(talk) @ 04:17, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"Lucia is Sun Haven’s enthusiastic and magically gifted leader." and "To romance Sun Haven’s Lucia, opt for fiery and magical gifts."
ALT1: ... that players have unlimited energy in Sun Haven, unlike other farm sims? Source: https://www.ign.com/wikis/sun-haven/Tips_and_Tricks_for_Beginners "One of our favorite features in Sun Haven (or lack thereof) is a stamina system. You don't need to worry about passing out from exerting too much energy like you do in other farming games"
Comment: Coincidentally, the QPQ is also a video game. I've been waiting for this game on the Switch (even though I don't own one) and its finally due to release by end of month! It was all because of this video.
Moved to mainspace by JuniperChill (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 9 past nominations.
Note: this may be suitable to run on 30 November, the day after the game is on the Switch as its scheduled to release on 29 Nov at 0700 PST (1500 UTC) according to this Reddit post, which was posted by one of the developers (see the username). I totally forgot about the special hook occasion and only just realised. If not, the 29th will do. JuniperChill (talk) 22:40, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also ALT0a: that players can marry Lucia, the leader of Sun Haven?
Pretty well-written and interesting article. Both the length and citation quality are alright, however I am of the view that the proposed hooks might potentially be in violation of the rule that "If the subject of the hook is a work of fiction or a fictional character, the hook must be focused on a real-world fact." (WP:DYKFICTION). Would be great if you could propose some other alternatives. Cheers, KINGofLETTUCE 👑🥬10:56, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would disagree with saying that ALT0 definitely meets WP:DYKFICTION because it's about marriage and the concept of marriage is a real-life fact. Plenty of things that happen in real life, such as births, deaths, marriages, going to school, etc. happen in works of fiction. The real issue here based on WP:DYKFICTION is if ALT0 is to be interpreted as a game mechanic or as a plot point: if it's the former, it might meet the guideline, but if it's the latter, it may not. Game mechanics are among those edge cases where it's not clear if DYKFICTION is met or not. At the very least, a reword may be needed. If not, maybe a different angle is needed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:10, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll hope for the best for this one then. I think i've learnt that DYK hooks shouldn't talk about the game and talk about the real word associated with it. JuniperChill (talk) 08:36, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2: "that Sun Haven did not gain a lot of attention until full release in 2023?"
ALT3: "that only a few games combine farming RPG like Sun Haven does?"
Sources: https://www.thegamer.com/best-farming-games-ranked/ "This indie gem has flown under the radar for a surprisingly long time, not gaining much attention until it had its official 1.0 release in early 2023" and https://www.thegamer.com/sun-haven-worth-it/ "Few games blend farming RPG mechanics, casual slice-of-life interactions, and high fantasy styles like Sun Haven does"
for ALT2 and 3 respectively
I'd hate to be that guy, but I really don't find ALTS 3 and 4 interesting at all. Maybe others might? The article is rather well written and the other DYK criteria aren't an issue. KINGofLETTUCE 👑🥬13:44, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thinking about this, I would have to agree. ALT2 is very vague (it is not uncommon for early access games to not gain traction until much later, let alone full release games), while ALT3 as currently written is also pretty vague and not very hooky. Taking a look at the article, I'm actually not sure if the article is even a good fit for DYK as there doesn't really seem to be any hook material in it, not even in the Reception section. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 16:21, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The only remaining options I can see in the article could be either of the following:
ALT5 ... that a reviewer described the game Sun Haven as similar to Stardew Valley, but more magical and fantastic?
Stardew Valley is a very popular and well-known game (saying as someone who's yet to play it), but I'm not actually sure if the angles would work if readers don't know Stardew Valley. In addition, JuniperChill has a notice on their talk page saying they are on Wikibreak until the end of the month: should the nomination continue in their absence? Pinging Kingoflettuce again for input, or possibly other editors like RoySmith and Launchballer regarding the latter question. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:50, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, im on a christmas holiday rn which is why I made almost no edits this month. As my talk page says, I will be back sometime around 30 Dec. I would think alt5 is the way to go because it adds more info than alt4, but I should put this nom on hold until at least new year. JuniperChill (talk) 06:22, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I must have forgotten that I need to manually sign posts here due to lack of reply feature and especially due to my wikiholidaybreak. I'm quite used to the reply feature as it automatically appends my signature. I only forgotten to sign my comment a few times and it was all by accident. I was about to leave a followup comment cause I would've expected a reply within 24 hours. JuniperChill (talk) 02:19, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As the proposer of ALT4-5, I'm probably not the best person to ask regarding them. As a gamer I might find them somewhat interesting, but I'm not sure if either hook would appeal to non-gamers. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:40, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Very easy workaround for "no real-world connection" in the marriage thing: "ALT6:.... that Sun Haven has drawn attention for letting players marry the leader?" DS (talk) 21:17, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If you're referring to what I think you're referring to, then for me it's interesting enough that they went after him for something that happened that long ago. I therefore propose ALT1 ... that after Doug Hamlin was appointed CEO of the NRA in May 2024, anonymous employees called for his suspension over something that happened in 1979? which I believe sidesteps the negative bit.--Launchballer16:35, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Everything looks in order, but I am going to quibble about the word "company", as I don't know if that's the totally correct word here. Just swapping in "organization" would probably do the trick. ~ Pbritti (talk) 16:06, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent work! The degree of neutrality showed on such an obviously contentious topic (which is further exacerbated by the cat thing) is especially impressive. ~ Pbritti (talk) 20:12, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure about promoting the first hook because it isn't independent of the subject. The second hook could still be deemed as too negative. Pinging another promoter AirshipJungleman29 for thoughts. SL93 (talk) 22:29, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that the composition of a sugya, or passage in the Babylonian Talmud, has multiple layers, with the latest edited with an anonymous voice?
Source: "Separating the Tannaitic, Amoraic, and Stammaitic layers reveals that the rabbis employ increasingly abstract formulations and concepts in their legal science." Stammaitic = anonymous (same source). See: Rubenstein at https://www.ancientjewreview.com/read/2016/2/9/talmudicstories
ALT1: ... that a sugya, or passage in the Talmud, may be read as folklore, philosophy, proto-feminist, or legal virtuosity? Source: Folklore -- Stein, Dina (2019). "Linguistic Liaisons: Wives and Vows in the Babylonian Talmud (BT Nedarim 66a-b)". Nashim: A Journal of Jewish Women's Studies & Gender Issues (35). Philosophy: Lévinas, Emmanuel; Aronowicz, Annette; Lévinas, Emmanuel (1990). Nine Talmudic readings. Bloomington: Indiana Univ. Press. ISBN 978-0-253-20876-7. Proto-feminist: Hauptman, Judith (1998). Rereading the rabbis: a woman's voice. Boulder, Colo.: Westview Press. ISBN 978-0-8133-3400-4. Conceptual "virtuosity: -- Moscovitz, Leib (2003). ""Designation is Significant": An Analysis of the Conceptual Sugya in bSan 47b–48b". AJS Review. 27 (2): 227–252. Let me know if quotes from sources would be helpful.
ALT2: ... that anonymous editors may create a sugya, or passage in the Talmud, by rewording quotations by earlier rabbis? Source: Moscovitz, Leib. "'The Holy Blessed One Be He... Does Not Permit the Righteous to Stumble': Reflections on the Development of a Remarkable BT Theologoumenon." In Rubenstein, Jeffrey L., ed. Creation and Composition: the Contribution of the Bavli Redactors (Stammaim) to the Aggada. Mohr Sieback, 2005, p126 "Second, the anonymous BT redactors contributed to the Talmud by reformulating amoraic dicta, not just by adding to their statements." Friedman, Shamma (2005). "A Good Story Deserves Retelling – The Unfolding Of The Akiva Legend" in same book: see p.72 "anonymous voice in the sugyot... original and creative rather than simply preserving or transmitting"
Comment: Open to suggestions with the hook, trying to avoid insider jargon. Also, please help with my faulty template use in the QPQ. Btw, "proto-feminist" isn't quite parallel structure.
Created by ProfGray (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 9 past nominations.
@ProfGray: Long enough, new enough. QPQ done and Earwig picks up nothing. I added a {{cn}} tag that needs addressing. More serious, however, is the fact that I don't find any of the hooks to meet WP:DYKINT and I can't see anything in the article that would make a good hook, though the latter may because this is extremely technical.--Launchballer15:26, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the feedback. How about this? ... that only in the 20th C. were scholars able to prove when a sugya, or passage in the Babylonian Talmud, was invented as if written by earlier authors?
Trying to avoid the plural form, sugyot. "Invented" in the article, could say "composed" in the hook. It's kind of pseudoepigraphic. This finding was crucial to the historical study of Talmud vs the religious. ProfGray (talk) 19:36, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Alt 1: ...that in the 2024 electoral campaign for the Cuauhtémoc borough in Mexico City then candidate Alessandra Rojo de la Vega was accused of political gender violence for referring to her opponent by her last name?
Alt 2: ...that in the 2024 electoral campaign for mayor the Cuauhtémoc borough in Mexico City Alessandra Rojo de la Vega defeated the daughter of a previous holder of the same office?
Alt 3: ...that during the 2024 electoral campaign for the Cuauhtémoc borough in Mexico City the parked vehicle of then candidate Alessandra Rojo de la Vega was shot 5 times to "give her a scare"?
Alt 4: ...that after winning the election for the Cuauhtémoc borough in Mexico City and moving into the mayor's office Alessandra Rojo de la Vega found two hidden phones potentially for spying?
@Alan Islas: You need to review another article, and you also need to consider hooks that are not unduly negative for this living person per Tbhotch's suggestion. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:18, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Sammi Brie: Thanks everybody for looking into my submission. Apologies for the delay in replying, I was not able to work on this due to external circumstances. Completed review of Template:Did you know nominations/Marzēaḥ. About the hook, it is not intended to be negative, as Rojo de la Vega showed resiliency to overcame all the obstacles. In the end her case prevailed in the electoral courts and she was confirmed as the winner of a very contested election. However, I do see how it can be interpreted differently. I have to go to work now, but I'll get back to this tonight, edit the original hook and add alternatives. Alan Islas (talk) 14:53, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is my first DYK review so let me know if I made a mistake. QPQ has been done. Article long enough (5032 characters), images licensed correctly, Earwig null results, article is well-referenced and presentable. Hook is verified and cited to a reliable primary source. However, I do not think the hook is interesting. Why should regular reader care that a video game is inspired by another board game? Catalk to me!02:25, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, the reason I chose this hook is because there's a large gap in between the board game and the video game. I thought it was interesting to show the board game's legacy. I can suggest other hooks which refer to chariot racing, like the forty-three hippodromes and circuses, but I felt that less interesting because they are all just presented from a top down view. - hahnchen15:22, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think that it being a turn-based tactical racing game is interesting, it is certainly rare for a video game. Alt hooks suggested below, but I still prefer the original
I think the original hook is the most interesting due to the contrast of game years. But the alternative hooks are also good. Maybe more emphasis could be placed on the contrast between mobile game vs board game? Moondragon21 (talk) 15:13, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that even though California-based company Tellus does not possess a banking license, it offers non-FDIC-insured interest-bearing demand deposit accounts to consumers? Source: Barron's 1
ALT1: ... that 68% of funds lent by Tellus between April and December 2023 were given to affiliates of one real estate investment firm to invest in Silicon Valley housing? Source: Barron's 2
ALT2: ... that California-based startup Tellus pivoted from being a property management app to a consumer-facing financial services company? Source: Barron's 1
ALT3: ... that while Tellus packages together cash from multiple consumer depositors to make real estate loans, and is not FDIC-insured, it states that it does not offer mortgage-backed securities to consumers? Source: TechCrunch
This is not a review but rather than a comment, but ALT0 and ALT3 will probably have to be rejected due to both WP:DYKINT concerns (reliance on specialist terms that may not be easily understood by non-financial savvy readers, especially outside the US) and for also sounding rather promotional. ALT2 might be the only suitable option at this point. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:44, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I understand how one could read Alt0 to be promotional (though I disagree and don’t see why non-insured demand deposit accounts are appealing but for their higher rates, which isn’t in the hook). But I’m really not sure how Alt3 could be seen that way—it’s highlighting that they don't purport to offer mortgage-backed securities even though they make what appears (to at least some professors cited in the body) be some sort of securitized loan offering without registration. That being said, I do take your point that people who don’t know much about managing their finances through investment could find these two hooks’ nuances hard to understand.Separately, I had been considering a book about the mysterious non-existent partnerships with banks that are mentioned in the article and were the subject of Senate scrutiny, but I couldn’t figure out a way to write it concisely in hook form without oversimplifying. I’ll take a crack at that over the next couple days with a clear head. — Red-tailed sock(Red-tailed hawk's nest)16:10, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: Thank you for this carefully-detailed article about financial wheeler-dealing. Contrary to above comments, it would seem to me that any intelligent person can smell he stink emanating from that dodgy company, no matter what country they are in. So well done for alerting us to it, and well done for writing hooks which may guide readers to take a good look at the article. I could tell from the hooks alone that there was something very unsafe about the company's handliing of money, so I would certainly not take the hooks as obscure or uninteresting.
Good to go, with a preference for ALT3, even though it has 199 characters (i.e. close to the max of 200). Please do not prune ALT3, because this kind of financial detail is important and should not be messed about with. Thank you. Storye book (talk) 13:58, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@AirshipJungleman29: I am going to give a long-winded answer for posterity’s sake, but the short answer is that it is directly relevant.
The way that the fractional-reserve banking systems works (in a very simplified way) is that banks receive deposits from customers and pool those funds to make loans, while keeping only a minimal small fraction of deposits as actual cash on hand. Banks receive interest payments from the loans they have made, and in turn provide customers with interest in their deposit accounts. In the U.S., banks are required to be FDIC insured—this keeps confidence in banks and prevents a bank run.
Tellus, however, is not a licensed bank. As such, it doesn’t answer to the banking regulators. It also doesn’t hold FDIC insurance, as non-bank financial firms aren’t eligible for it.
There is another to pool money from several individuals in order to issue a loan—securitization. In the mortgage industry, it is common for mortgage issuers to sell mortgages to other banks and Qualified institutional buyers, who would collect the interest in the long run. A mortgage-backed security is a financial instrument that is backed by these sorts of mortgages (alone or pooled with others); the security is broken into shares which are then distributed to other parties. Unregistered securities exist, and can even be sold between third-party banks and other QIBs under SEC rule 144A, but the big rule is that you can’t sell them to ordinary people because.
The way that Tellus boost/reserve works (based on their January 2023 Boost ToS) is that deposits are general obligation debts of Tellus to its account holders, and represents only a debt from Tellus to the account holders. Tellus says that the cash accounts are not mortgage-backed securities because they are not; in fact, they’re backed only by Tellus’s future income as a firm—there is no specific asset backing them.
So, you’ve got something here that they say is not a mortgage-backed security. And they also aren’t claiming that it’s a demand deposit backed by a specific asset, while also claiming in advertising that one can withdraw money (for boost accounts) whenever one would like. So one’s left with concluding that that they’re essentially securing private, apparently callable (in advertising but not in the actual customer agreement), interest-bearing debt financing to themselves from a set of people that apparently includes non-accredited investors. And the company is using that money (based on public statements) for commercial lending of its own.
So, yes, the FDIC part matters, since it indicates that the firm is not acting like a bank would. And the MBS part matters, as it indicates that there is no specific asset backing the deposits. It’s its own thing, and it’s a unique and unusual model for a consumer-facing business’s finance arm.
The hook has been pulled from Prep owing to concerns about the original hook (which is now struck). Per the discussion at WT:DYK, there are two possible options: ALT2, and a hook proposed by RoySmith (labeled as ALT4 here):
ALT2: ... that California-based startup Tellus pivoted from being a property management app to a consumer-facing financial services company?
ALT4 ... that while Tellus uses non-FDIC insured consumer deposits to make real-estate loans, it states that it does not offer mortgage-backed securities?
I did not strike your comments, only some of the hooks above. Striking hooks is a common practice on DYK regarding hooks that are deemed to no longer be under consideration. For what it's worth, there did seem to be (emphasis on "seem" here, so correct me if I'm wrong) loose consensus that the original hook was problematic, so that's probably out of the question now, though the discussion didn't rule out RoySmith's rewording of it. That's why there's the request for a previously uninvolved reviewer, to make sure the final decision is impartial. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:17, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that in 2003, Rwanda adopted a constitution that recategorized Rwandans of Hutu, Tutsi, and Twa ethnicities into one identity, banyarwanda?
Source: Beyond Conflict and Spoilt Identities: How Rwandan Leaders Justify a Single Recategorization Model for Post-Conflict Reconciliation
Authored by Sigrun Marie Moss and published in the Journal of Social and Political Psychology in 2014. PDF available at: [1]
Quotes:
"Since 1994,the Rwandan government has attempted to remove the division of the population into the ‘ethnic’ groups (ubwoko) Hutu, Tutsi and Twa and instead encourage people to think of themselves only in terms of a common national Rwandan identity. This approach can be classified as recategorization of social identities– a process where subordinate identities are replaced with a shared or superordinate identity in order to improve intergroup relations."
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"This comprehensive recategorization approach is based on a meta-narrative that essentialises Rwandan unity and de-essentialises ethnic identities, in a context where alternative narratives are not permitted. The 2003 constitution forbids genocide ideology, and a 2008 addition further limits identity discussions. These strict genocide ideology laws ban everything seen as divisionism, implying limited freedom of speech on topics of identity, political power and representation."
Reviewed:
Created by Paradox38 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
@Paradox38: Welcome to DYK! New enough in mainspace (moved December 2) and long enough. Nominator is QPQ-exempt. The hook fact checks out. This is a promising page but needs action to proceed:
All paragraphs beyond the lead section need to end in an inline citation. The paragraph beginning in The challenges facing might be fine since it's basically a summary of the cited paragraphs, but I see three paragraphs that have uncited portions. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 14:19, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've indicated them with tags. From what I understand the first two seem to be clarifying sentences, so could be removed if needed. The third one has additional content that would be more of a shame to remove. CMD (talk) 17:02, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The proper place to put an inline citation is not entirely clear to me. For example, for the third place marked "citation needed" (regarding the Twa feeling increasingly marginalized), the source for that is the same as the source cited in the previous sentence. Is it proper to add an inline citation to the last sentence of that paragraph, and leave the citation in the previous sentence as-is? Or should I move the citation from the second-to-last sentence in that paragraph to the last sentence in that paragraph, removing it from where it is currently? Also, is this the proper place to discuss this, given that I am withdrawing the DYK nomination? Paradox38 (talk) 21:54, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Paradox38 the best practice is to have a source located at the end of all the text it is citing within one paragraph (see WP:CONSECUTIVECITE), but if you duplicate it that's not a huge issue. You can ask questions at the WP:TEAHOUSE. Per your withdrawal, marking this for closure. Best, CMD (talk) 22:59, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Moved to mainspace by TonyTheTiger (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 369 past nominations.
Interesting article. No problems with copyright and hook mentioned in the article with proper source. Images have no copyright problems and freely licensed. Overall, the article has no problems with citations. Good to go. Toadboy123 (talk) 12:25, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Theleekycauldron, Toadboy123, AirshipJungleman29, and RoySmith: The article talk is pointing toward a formal WP:RM, which is a one-week process once it is started. Before it is started, a procedural reversion back to the original location is considered Kosher. Then the RM can commence. This was moved from main space on December 2. I am going to assume that if everything is settled within 2 months of that date it would be considered timely for DYK since it is not uncommon for noms to drag on that long. I expect to be able to report back with a properly formed page location consensus via RM before then.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:59, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
My attitude on stuff like this is that as long as you get the nomination in on time (which you have), that stops the clock, so I wouldn't worry about that. RoySmith(talk)13:53, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neither hook is interesting to a broad audience, as outside of football/soccer fans, the hook is unlikely to be perceived as interesting or unusual. Please provide more accessible hooks that can attract or interest even non-MLS fans. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:12, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I mean as a soccer fan, I don't know why the fact it was at a shopping mall would make it interesting, but I also understand my suggestions were boring, so I don't know I should be the one who defines what is interesting to soccer fans. Demt1298 (talk) 19:58, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Article is new enough, long enough, and adequately sourced. QPQ not needed for a nominator with less than five nominations. The hook is supported in-text, but the relevant sentences lack a footnote: this will need to be fixed before the nomination is approved. More worryingly, the "Format" section appears to be a very close paraphrase of the source. The paraphrasing will need to be addressed for the nomination to succeed. If you need any assistance, don't hesitate to ask a copyright expert. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:19, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Rulesets cannot avoid paraphrasing due to the need to explain the exact rules and not misrepresent the subject. FWIW, Earwig only has 7.5% confidence and most of the hits were specific terms or names of mechanisms that cannot be changed; the one outlier is "end of the [2024] season", which could be tweaked. SounderBruce07:17, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Earwig checks only direct copying, not close paraphrasing. I think what's present goes beyond LIMITED, but there is also the option of quoting directly if necessary. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:04, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that a Christmas card featuring "a hand-coloured winter thrush" by artist Mark Hearld was included in a 2021 exhibition of Christmas greetings by modern British artists?
Source: "How to get my ho-ho-ho mojo back? In their print room, Pallant House in Chichester have mounted an exhibition, Christmas Greetings by Modern British Artists. Here are more than a hundred offerings from Edward Bawden, Ben Nicholson, John Piper and John Craxton. There is a marvellous David Jones engraving of a candlelit mass and Emily Sutton’s cat that got the Christmas pud. Ed Kluz, whose architectural drawings lean towards the gothic (follow him on Instagram), gives us a lovely, lonely city church with a Star of Bethlehem above. Ben Nicholson’s Christmas card of 1939 is a marbled, modernist grid with coolly geometric snowballs, while Gary Hume, once a YBA, moulds a snowman of minimal spheres. Barnett Freedman goes wassailing in his lithographic Christmas card of 1953, Edward Bawden’s linocut lion rampages through the presents and Mark Hearld’s hand-coloured winter thrush rings the round robin changes. There’s a bookmark-shaped Christmas card by Enid Marx wishing recipients not Merry Christmas, but a Happy New Year. Perhaps she was running even later than I am." The Spectator
Overall: Moved from draftspace five days before nom and sized at 2012 B. Page is reliably sourced and everything is verified. The lede is short, but consider this fix optional. Wasn't sure if the "thrush" was intriguing, but the weirdness and linking of the word helps. However, the hook doesn't feel concise enough and I'm having trouble making a hook that doesn't duplicate "Christmas card" and isn't short, but these two fit the bill enough:
ALT1: ... that one of the designs shown at an all-Christmas card exhibition was "a hand-coloured winter thrush" by artist Mark Hearld? Source: Same as ALT0
ALT2: ... that "a hand-coloured winter thrush" by artist Mark Hearld appeared on one of the Christmas cards for a specialised exhibition?Source: Same as ALT0
Oh, and I found another one while checking at Earwig, it's more interesting and this is in case it's not done in time for Christmases Eve or Day.
Thank you for your review. I’m going to add a bit more to the article. There’s some good potential hooks about his home I’d like to add. Thriley (talk) 06:31, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT4: ... that a profile of artist Mark Hearld stated "If you want a child to care about the planet, don’t tell them it’s burning, show them Hearld’s wrens and squirrels, field mice and owls"? Thriley (talk) 06:27, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Thriley: Yeah, I don't think that's as intriguing as the ones I proposed. Which specific one do you prefer? For the record, my preferences are: 3A > 3B > 2 > 1 > 0. ミラP@Miraclepine15:35, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: SDSU website ("Also earned first-team all-MW accolades at punter [1] by Pro Football Focus, Phil Steele Magazine and College Football Network, and as a kickoff specialist [2] by College Football Network, and a fourth-team honoree at kicker [3] by Phil Steele Magazine")
Moved to mainspace by BeanieFan11 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 276 past nominations.
I have temporarily pulled the hook from Prep as the above review is incomplete and did not check all of the DYK criteria, particularly with regards to article newness, length, or referencing. Pulling to give OlifanofmrTennant an opportunity to provide a more complete review. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:59, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: "Only five mature individuals of E. perrieri have been previously identified in the whole of Madagascar, and a recent survey has suggested that now only three of these may be left (Analavelona, Ampefy and Maintirano areas)." https://www.kew.org/read-and-watch/madagascan-banana
Comment: No QPQ required as Laffuble will own this DYK as you can see from talk page. I (Chidgk1) just put it in for them and will deal with any questions they might be unsure about being relatively new to Wikipedia
Overall: Hello Laffuble, welcome to DYK, I hope you have a wonderful time here! I have a few concerns regarding the article which I will outline below, and will ping Chidgk1 since there are outstanding inquiries about the state of this article: ALT0 is truthfully the most interesting of the two hooks proposed. Plenty of things out there are critically endangered, it is a conservation category onto itself. The severely restricted population serves as a much better hook. However, the hook as it stands right now is not supported by the material within the article and the source, which states there are five mature individuals rather than three. I will strike ALT1 from consideration. iNaturalist is not a good source for the plant's morphology, nor is Rarepalmseeds, which is a site with commercial interests. A much better source for that information is either a study or the original description, if it can be located. iNaturalist's image gallery being a source falls into WP:OR. Google Scholar is a helpful source for finding research papers regarding Ensete perrieri, if you're stuck finding trustworthy sources. Earwig detects no copyvio issues, long enough, and new enough. I hope this can be of help to you! Ornithoptera (talk) 07:26, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ornithoptera: We have made some changes - is it ok now?
Chidgk1 My apologies but I see that you have simply replaced the problematic sources for the “Description” section, rather than consulting the source and making the necessary changes to the article using the information presented there. That will not be enough to allow for the article to pass scrutiny. Would you be able to take a look at the source rather than simply replacing the original citations? In addition, the hook has not been updated per my request, since it is not supported by the article text. Ornithoptera (talk) 19:02, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've taken a look at the cited article and the description for E. perrieri is as follows: Ensete perrieri (Claverie) comb. nov. ; Musa perrieri P. Claverie in Comptes Rendus Acad. Sci. Paris 140 (1905), 1612, nomen, et in Ann. us. Colon. Marseille ser. 2, vol. 7 (1909), p. 74, descr. cum ic. t. 8., this will not serve as a viable source for the passage. I would be most ideal to first consult with the source before using it in the article. I noticed that you and Laffuble had issues with accessing sources, the Wikipedia library at WP:LIB, if you have made enough edits, can be a great resource since it has institutional access to several journals that can be of use. Ornithoptera (talk) 19:16, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ornithoptera: Thanks for explaining Wikipedia Library. Have added quote for hook - is hook OK now? If there are any remaining problems with the description please could you comment in the talk page section below this as it is easier to reply.Chidgk1 (talk) 08:02, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Chidgk1, I really want to emphasize to you and Laffuble that you should both read the issues I have outlined with the article. Only a few significant edits that I have outlined have been addressed properly, I will break the issues down line by line so that it can be easier to guide you in going about the necessary edits.
The text in the original description section has not been changed to match the source. The source was simply replaced, with the passage's text not significantly changed to address the new source. On top of this, Annales du Muśee colonial de Marseille does not explicitly identify this as E. perrieri. Unless the source is beyond a reasonable doubt that it is E. perrieri, it is not the most ideal. I would emphasize that it is most ideal to have the entire section re-written and updated to reflect sources that explicitly include a description of E. perrieri.
Laffuble Are you able to deal with this? If you are at uni maybe the librarian there can advise? I don't think there is any rush now so if you cannot fix it please contact me after Xmas and I will root around in the Wikipedia library mentioned above.
iNaturalist is not a reliable source. It is a social media site that provides valuable insight, but the information cannot be considered reliable as anyone can upload an observation and provide faulty information.
@Ornithoptera: You are right that most info on iNaturalist is from members of the public so should not be cited, however the few photos which they classify as "research grade" are reliable in my opinion. If you disgree I will be happy to start a discussion at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard so we can get more thoughts on it. Chidgk1 (talk) 06:32, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I really want to assist this DYK make it through, but I really would like to have all necessary edits be done before I am alerted to allow for it to pass. Ornithoptera (talk) 03:47, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Laffuble and Chidgk1, has there been any adjustments to the article since we have had our last conversation? I don't believe there has been any activity since the 30th. In terms of the iNaturalist comment, "research grade" is a meaningless designation exclusive to the site, and has little bearing in many circles outside of that. Compare that concept with "reddit gold" or "subtweet." While it is important in some circles, I don't think it would be a meaningful piece of content for the article, and a statistic that can be in flux if the status of the observations is changed or if another is found. Ornithoptera (talk) 06:44, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello @Ornithoptera:. I am busy now with a GA of mine which is being reviewed. Pretty sure no one else but me will be interested in writing about that coal-fired power plant here in Turkey. Totally guessing but Laffuble might be a student so perhaps busy with studies. Whereas I am surprised no one from the plants project seems to be interested in this - I will ask there one more time. Otherwise I might have time to look at this next week. If none of us have done anything by the end of next week feel free to close it off as out of time. Even if that happens your comments are still useful for the future so I don't think your time has been wasted. Chidgk1 (talk) 07:40, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think that the statements about saving the Cavendish banana are mostly hype. Resistance factors potentially can be obtained from any species of Musa or Ensete, including members of the Musa acuminata AAA cultivar group.
@Abductive: Unless Ornithoptera says it is essential to pass DYK please can you formally propose renaming on a separate section of the talk page and I will detail my opposition there. Chidgk1 (talk) 13:47, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: Combination of Indigenous sovereignty was never ceded, and the continued presence of settlers is essentially illegitimate.[2] and [3] which explains how "Decolonization is Not a Metaphor". The paper itself as a primary source also supports the first part of the hook.
Reviewed:
Created by Chess (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Thus far, I have been unable to verify that the paper "calls for the return of the United States to indigenous sovereignty." Neither of the two sources you cite above appear to support the statement, they just say the paper calls for a stricter interpretation of the meaning of the word "decolonization", which is a very different thing. Gatoclass (talk) 22:28, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Again, a quote from a source confirming the hook statement would be required at minimum. But these suggestions thus far all look a little tortured to me. How about keeping it simple and straightforward, something like:
Having looked a little more closely at the article, I'm not sure your interpretation of the paper is accurate. Certainly, it's a difficult text to come to grips with - at least for me, as it contains a lot of academic jargon that tends to obscure the authors' meaning to a non-professional in the field. But for example, you state: "Tuck argues that ... because the existence of settlers on stolen land is illegitimate [it] must be redressed by decolonization". Did he really say that? Because I would have thought that if he had, the paper would be more notorious than merely influential. On the other hand, if he is only saying that that's what decolonization must mean, he is simply defining a term rather than arguing in favour of it, and there is a world of difference between the two.
However, since most of the article is sourced directly to the paper itself, without clarifying quotes, it's hard to know whether your interpretation is accurate. I'm not even entirely sure if the paper itself doesn't count as a primary source here, which might also be problematic.
So, is there any chance you could provide some actual quotes from the paper, or better still perhaps, reliable secondary sources that have written about it, in order to clarify the point? Because I think it's obviously an important distinction to get right. Cheers, Gatoclass (talk) 06:54, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Gatoclass: The article is far from perfect and I welcome suggestions to improve it as I'm less experienced than I should be with writing from scratch.
I looked into this when you raised it the first time. The closest thing in the text I can find right now is We don’t intend to discourage those who have dedicated careers and lives to teaching themselves and others to be critically conscious of racism, sexism, homophobia, classism, xenophobia, and settler colonialism. We are asking them/you to consider how the pursuit of critical consciousness, the pursuit of social justice through a critical enlightenment, can also be settler moves to innocence - diversions, distractions, which relieve the settler of feelings of guilt or responsibility, and conceal the need to give up land or power or privilege. (emphasis mine)
So, the authors explicitly acknowledge a need for settlers to give up land. Likewise, page 10 of the paper criticizes decolonial scholars that enable "settler moves to innocence". I will likely have to make the article more directly explain what Tuck and Yang said, with better inline citations.
@Gatoclass: This is a bit of a drive-by comment (I haven't looked closely at the wiki article itself), but as someone from this academic discipline who has often seen this article cited/discussed in the field, I'd say it's completely accurate to say that "Tuck argues that ... because the existence of settlers on stolen land is illegitimate [it] must be redressed by decolonization", that the article "views the United States as fundamentally illegitimate", and that "the return of the United States to indigenous sovereignty" is what "decolonization" ought to mean. The impact of the article is more like "let's stop saying we're decolonizing when we're just close-reading a novel" than it is "let's decolonize the US for real immediately!" but I haven't seen any exaggerations or misinterpretation of its argument here. I do think ALT4 is the clearest and best hook, though. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 04:52, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, but we can't base content-related decisions on the testimony of wikipedia editors, we need reliable sources to verify content. So again, either clear quotes from the article that the authors are actually endorsing decolonization of the US, or critiques from reliable secondary sources supporting such an interpretation (although other interpretations would also have to be included if they exist to provide balance). Gatoclass (talk) 07:13, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have to agree with Gatoclass on this; plus I have some other concerns. What we have here is a summary of the paper, but not anything that meaningfully demonstrates why this topic is encyclopedic. A one sentence line saying the paper is influential isn't going to cut it. We need details on how it is influential and who is claiming it is influential. Additionally, we need to see different critical responses to this paper through quotes in published reviews, both positive and negative to meet our WP:POV policies. The current text relies too heavily on the paper itself which is inappropriate as the paper is the subject and is therefore a primary document in this case. Additionally, it isn't clear that the summation of the paper is entirely accurate and is not an original analysis of the paper which would run afoul of WP:SYNTH. What we need here is more reliance on critical analysis and reviews of the paper, and text which more closely aligns with the meaning in the sources without being so close as to be considered plagiarism. The use of clarifying quotes from the paper could also assist in this (ie let the paper speak for itself in key places). It's a difficult line to walk. Additionally, the current text of the article lacks any meaningful critical engagement with the text; to the point that I would consider this incomplete (ie fails WP:DYKCOMPLETE).
In short, we need a decrease in reliance on the paper itself as a cited reference and an increase in reliance on secondary sources about the paper with more critical engagement highlighted. A significant amount of work is needed before this can pass a DYK review. Aside from this, I think Alt4 is a good hook that is usable. It is verified to the cited reference and is interesting. I think these issues are solvable. Ping me when the article has been improved and needs a second look.4meter4 (talk) 20:38, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Update. In just doing a cursory look in google scholar, SAGE and JSTOR, there are many articles that cite and summarize Tuck and Yang's paper which could be used to source the summary. There are also multiple publications which respond to the work, both affirming and questioning the limits of its praxis. This type of critical commentary is exactly what is needed in this article. I suggest the nominator rewrite the summary based on these types of secondary sources, and create a critical reaction section. 4meter4 (talk) 04:02, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The summary is too perfunctory to pass WP:DYKCOMPLETE. You have not grasped the main point of the paper, and have not identified who the audience is and what the central problem is which in this case is intimately linked to the audience: educators mostly but also social justice workers who have been influenced by education praxis. The article is fundamentally a critique of education praxis around decoloniality calling out teachers specifically but also social justice workers for engaging with "settler moves to innocence" ("settler moves" is a term; these words go together in this order always) through various forms like "Colonial equivocation", "Free your mind and the rest will follow", etc. You've fundamentally misunderstood this section in some ways because you haven't identified that its educators/social justice workers/activists being addressed as being complicit in some of these practices within their work. Which brings us to the "Ethic of incommensurability" which is the meat of the paper and the first truly original part not based on prior work. You've not talked about this at all, which is not surprising because you never really hit on the earlier identified problem that Tuck and Yang are addressing through this ethic, and who they are encouraging to implement that ethic and why. See the talk page for more comments, but honestly the abstract and opening and concluding sections of the paper are your best resources in crafting a summary. A reminder that you can use clarifying quotes from the paper in the summary. At this point, I'm concerned that you fundamentally are missing basic comprehension of the text because neither your first draft or second draft have demonstrated that you can identify the key terms and conclusions in the paper. At this point we are no closer to being ready for the main page with this particular article. 4meter4 (talk) 06:07, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: Great hooks! I think ALT1 and ALT2 are most interesting, though I recommend removing "the The Flash episode" from each for concision/more of a surprising effect. I am approving ALT2 as properly cited as-is. The "two years" claim in ALT1 isn't entirely verified by the currently cited source, but [4] (from the article) does verify it, so I'll say that's also approved.
I am requesting another reviewer take a look at this, since this is my first DYK review. By the way, OlifanofmrTennant, you are free to dispense commas more liberally throughout your (article) prose, which I have done for you here :) Toadspike[Talk]18:52, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Giving a second review as requested above. Verifying that the nomination was done on time, the article was long enough, and is free of close paraphrasing. The done QPQ, however, is slightly incomplete. OlifanofmrTennant forgot to also check for the article's newness (according to DYK requirements) and length. She also forgot to verify the hook and to check if it was cited inline. Given the issues, I would suggest replacing the provided QPQ with a more complete review of another article. More pressingly for this nomination, however, is the sentence verifying ALT2 (the only hook I'd personally approve) lacks a footnote: the relevant footnote is instead located in the next sentence. The ref has to be duplicated for DYK verification purposes. Otherwise, Toadspike did a pretty good job for a first review and I hope he takes the above second review for tips in their future reviews. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:55, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Please make it clear in the original review, making sure to check all the DYK criteria listed in WP:DYKRI. Regarding Thomas (goose), the provided QPQ did not check for article length, only newness, so that has to be corrected for that QPQ to count as well. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:23, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Meh. It looks like this was Toadspike's first review. Let's not get all bent out of shape because they didn't do everything right. My suggestion is to just move on and chalk this up as a learning experience. Who among us didn't screw things up the first time we reviewed an article? RoySmith(talk)01:03, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@RoySmith: The comments were meant for OlifanofmrTennant, not for Toadspike. OlifanofmrTennant had a number of other similar reviews, so I was hoping that some assistance and guidance could be given to them. If you want, I can re-add the tick, although it might still be a good idea to help assist OlifanofmrTennant so that their future reviews can be more complete. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:13, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, I think I understand now. Maybe what makes sense is the next time OlifanofmrTennant does a DYK review, they ping a more experienced reviewer to look over their review and give them additional advice if needed. RoySmith(talk)01:27, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: "BIG, Hijjas, and Ramboll were selected as winners of Penang State Government’s international competition to design a master plan for Penang South Islands in Malaysia." - [5]
"He said 70 acres (28 hectares) of the planned 2,300-acre island have been reclaimed to date." - [6]
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Comment: This is my first DYK nomination. Appreciate your feedback on this. Thanks.
Created by HundenvonPenang (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Article is long enough and new enough; no sourcing or content issues were found. Hook has good source and meets length and format criterion. QPQ is not required because nominator has less than 5 previous nominations. Image is original work of editor, released to Creative Commons under Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International license; rollover tag is good.Orygun (talk) 03:35, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: A newly created article that is long enough. No QPQ required. No copyvio issues.
The hook is interesting, but the source in the article says "secondary market", not black market.
There is a contradiction. The first section starts with "Fix Dessert Chocolatier was founded in Dubai in September 2022". Immediately below it says "Sarah Hamouda, who founded the company Fix Dessert Chocolatiers in the Emirate of Dubai in 2021, claimed to be the inventor of the Dubai chocolate". Ignoring the "Chocolatier(s)" inconsistency throughout the page, this first needs to be fixed.
@Jolielover: We're missing the secondary market / black market thing. The cited source trademagazin says "The special candy can be bought for up to 250 thousand forints on the secondary market, according to a report by Pénzcentrum." I'm not an economist but the secondary market doesn't sound similar to the black market. (CC)Tbhotch™22:23, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Tbhotch: There is a primary market where stocks are rated and sold by the listed company itself and a secondary market where stocks are rated and sold at the stock exchange by the listed company independent traders like you and me. And there is a black market where illegal goods, goods without paying taxes, etc. are sold. I think the difference is quite clear.
I have no idea why some newspapers use secondary market as a synonym for black market, maybe because of the word "black" like the controversy about the black in blacklist, e.g. [7]. In this case, black market or at least when using secondary market linking that word to the article black market and not the article secondary market, is right. Btw, in German media, black market (Schwarzmarkt) is predominant.
Thanks for the explanation. My concern would be WP:DYKHOOK since the hook says "it is being smuggled and sold on the black market", which was what hooked me to review this article. When I reviewed the article it did say that it was smuggled and sold on the black market, but the coupled source (mentioned above) was saying "secondary market", which makes it less illegal and attractive for the general audience (i.e. "The hook should be likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest in the topic"). The other sources linked on top of this page just say this: "The smuggling operation unfolded over two separate incidents at the Nickelsdorf", "customs officials at the German-Swiss border stopped a man who was attempting to smuggle around 45 kilograms of the coveted 'Dubai chocolate' into Germany", "products from other brands with both the original Dubai chocolate and its many variations fetching high prices on the resale market", "Limited-edition bars are commanding exorbitant prices, with some enduring long queues and even resorting to smuggling", and the most relevant statement, "Dubai doesn't ship to the U.S. and there is a black market for these chocolate bars now, at exhorbitant [sic] prices" from this source that is not used in the article. Both the hook and the article must be in synchrony to be approved. (CC)Tbhotch™03:34, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think the hook is an overbording claim if it remains without an indication as to where this would be- the German Swiss border, maybe....! In fact checking how "expensive" it is, it isnt any more in Germany, and the claim apperas to be sensationalizing and not neutral.Wuerzele (talk) 18:29, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I was going to make a similar comment to Wuerzele here, the article reads slightly promotional, with sentences like "She aimed to create chocolate bars that combined unique textures and flavors, focusing on the filling to set her company apart from competitors." There are other prose issues, such as not specifying which border is meant both times the word is used and never explaining what kadayif is. This source [8], which appears to be unreliable per WP:FORBESCON (written by a "Brand Contributor"), also does not verify the statement that bars are 100g, which is contradicted by the paragraph right above it. Taken together, I am not sure if this article is presentable enough for the main page at the moment. Toadspike[Talk]20:17, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Improved to Good Article status by PCN02WPS (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 82 past nominations.
@Narutolovehinata5: the source wording is a little vague as well: Ohio State’s 42-20 victory over Oregon at AT&T Stadium in Arlington, Texas – averaged 33,395,000 viewers and an 18.2 US household rating, according to Nielsen, delivering both the largest audience and highest rating in cable television history. The Nielsen rating is definitely US-only and I think the same is true for the viewers but it's not explicitly stated one way or the other. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 23:45, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Given that it is an exceptional claim and given with the circumstances it will almost certainly find scrutiny on WT:DYK and/or WP:ERRORS, it may be for the best to propose a new hook using a totally different angle. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:49, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Long enough, new enough. QPQ is done and I see nothing that would demand a maintenance template. I don't find ALT1 interesting (the playoff is always going to comprise teams from somewhere) and ALT2 would need an end-of-sentence citation and depends on knowing what the Rose Bowl is. I saw the word 'controversy' in the article; perhaps you could propose a hook based on that?--Launchballer21:18, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Moscow Connection: In case you weren't aware, DYK rules changed a few months ago to require QPQs at the time of the nomination, rather than up to a week after. As such, please provided a QPQ promptly, as the nomination may be closed without further warning if one isn't given. Thank you. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:03, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article was fresh when nominated and it meets the length requirements. I see plenty of citations, a bit too many in fact. I do not think that we need 18 citations for a single sentence. Funnily enough, there is also a citation needed tag in the article. The article needs a bit of copy-editing to look more encyclopedic (e.g. "don't"→"do not", "guys with fluffy hair"→possibly "young men with a broccoli haircut"). Is one anonymous video game player's mocking of a haircut encyclopedically notable? I see nothing about an alarm tone in the article and the proposed hooks do not strike me as interesting anyway, but there is plenty of material in the article for very interesting hooks. For one thing, the fact that the performers are 11 and 12 years old is attention-grabbing. Then there is the bit about brain rot and the use of "sigma boy" to catch the attention of non-Russian speakers. Moscow Connection, it is unfortunate that you did not nominate Betsy (Russian singer) for DYK alongside this nomination. I would suggest creating an article about Maria Yankovskaya, if she meets Wikipedia's notability standards, and adding it to this nomination. Surtsicna (talk) 15:21, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Frankly saying, I was afraid the Betsy article was not good enough for a DYK. As for Maria Yankovskaya (or Maria Iankovskaia; that is the spelling she uses), she does meet the notability criteria but she is not as famous as Betsy. And she is more of an actress / TV presenter than a singer, her article will be harder to create. (There's a biography on VokrugTV.ru [10]. And now "Sigma Boy" entered the charts, so she is notable. But other than that, she wasn't in the news much yet.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 20:17, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have changed "don't" to "do not" and "guys" to "young men". But "fluffy hair" is basically the name of the meme. And it is not the same is a "broccoli haircut". --Moscow Connection (talk) 22:20, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I will create an article for Maria Yankovskaya. Give me a few days. It won't really matter if she or Betsy are nominated for DYK or not. We can still add links to them, they just won't be in bold font. --Moscow Connection (talk) 12:35, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that news outlets reported drone sightings in August 2024 over US military bases in Germany, well before the major wave of sightings in the US in December 2024?
This article is largely a piece of original research, combining sources that make no mention to other events. Its scope, as relates to the US sightings, is redundant with 2024 Northeastern United States drone sightings. Regarding UK drone sightings, it utilizes the deprecated Daily Mail (WP:DAILYMAIL). Regarding the German sightings, maybe there's something there. However, I'm not seeing enough sustained coverage to clear WP:NOTNEWS right now. Make some corrections, remove the bad sources, and make the scope more precise. ~ Pbritti (talk) 16:27, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Pbritti:, I appreciate your valuable feedback. I have revised the article, and added citations from reliable sources, as you requested. I would welcome any comments on the revised version. thanks. --Sm8900 (talk) 16:41, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Sm8900: At the minimum, you must also appropriately link and bold the article you are nominating in both proposed hooks. Please do that and I'll look over the article again. ~ Pbritti (talk) 16:53, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Sm8900: Sorry to be a grinch, but there are still outstanding issues. I have, as a courtesy, bolded the link in your hook. The other issues will be listed below:
Citations are awkwardly spaced. Since you are an experienced editor (if not necessarily an experienced DYK nominator), I will ask you to fix this substantial formatting issue.
The scope of the final section is, with the exception of the California arrest, fully overlapping with the other drone sightings article. That portion ought to be summarized more succinctly.
Cutting down on redundant coverage may cause a length issue; consider adding further content on the German sightings and more clearly tying them and the UK sightings to the US events.
You oscillate between "US" and "USA" within your hooks. Please pick one for consistency.
@Pbritti:, ok, as requested; 1) fixed spacing between refs. let me know if further work is needed. 2) made section on US events more concise. 3) added signficant additonal facts and details to section on Germany. 4) used US consistently. I hope thats helpful. Please free to continue your helpful feedback. --Sm8900 (talk) 17:39, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sm8900, seems fine to me. is in no way an adequate QPQ review, so I have struck your inclusion of Template:Did you know nominations/Boxheim Documents above. You need to do a complete review of an article (Boxheim Documents, which is all done except for a hook disagreement, is not appropriate), and be sure to address all of the DYK criteria (newness, meets size requirement, hook interestingness and sourcing and length, article sourcing, etc.). See the reviewing instructions and the guidelines for further information. Best of luck! BlueMoonset (talk) 21:24, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Cited: - While the hook seems true, the source attached here doesn't explicitly support some of the facts. It doesn't verify that Scorsese is known for crime films (just films in general) nor that SZA didn't expect him to find about it (just that his daughter (and potentially him) found out about it). It's possible his daughter posted the story without sharing the song with him. "SZA was shocked after she received the Scorsese family's blessing." could be partially implied to mean this, but I'd still prefer a more direct statement to confirm.
Interesting:
QPQ: Done.
Overall: Overall, the article presents no problems. Reliable sources exist, the paragraphs are cited, it's new enough, long enough, and there's no copyvio. ALT2 reads as more interesting to me, but it would also need a valid source as the linked one doesn't support the "emotionally unstable boyfriend" portion. I'd be more than happy to approve if this part is resolved. TheDoctorWho(talk)19:29, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
Interesting:
QPQ: Done.
Overall: AGF on all the offline sources. Baltimore Sun review has no citation though so you would want to fix that. ALT2 is interesting, but a bit misleading -- it does not convey the jocular nature of the writer's comments. The rest are also fine, although I recommend rewriting them as well to bring out more of their hookiness. Elias 🦗🐜 [Chat, they chattin', they chat]07:22, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@PSA: thank you for the copyedits. I'm unsure what you mean by the review being unsourced; the quotation is in the cited source ("His Christmas record won't make him crabby"), although it is a stretch to call it positive, so I removed that from the lead. I've replaced "said" with "joked" in ALT2 and would welcome any copyedit on the hooks. charlotte👸🎄04:17, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hm, first off my bad for the "unsourced" comment. Second, my issue with ALT0 right now is that it is a bit too wordy. Perhaps you can trim the hook so that it just focuses on "a song about crabs as a Christmas gift". That's all I have for now Elias 🦗🐜 [Chat, they chattin', they chat]05:53, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that a group of Jewish refugees continued work on their Yiddish encyclopedia after fleeing from Germany and France?
Source: Trachtenberg, B. (2006). Di Algemeyne Entsiklopedye, the Holocaust and the changing mission of Yiddish scholarship. Journal of Modern Jewish Studies, 5(3), 285–300. https://doi.org/10.1080/14725880600961601
I am not a stickler for a day of so difference, although I can't speak for the senior mods. Date, size, refs, copyvio spotcheck, QPQ, are good. I do have concerns over the hook. The article does not mention Poland anywhere. Frankly, the lead and article suggest that they escaped from Germany, then France. Unless this is clarified in the article, the hook should be adjusted to Germany and France. And it probably should mention the Holocaust or WWII for context; the reader may be confused otherwise. Please ping me if any replies are made here. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here03:45, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Piotrus: 'facepalm' complete goof on my part, it was extremely late when i wrote this hook and I had just written about someone who had fled germany and poland - fixed lol Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 03:47, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @NotAGenious: nice work on your first DYK. This article, over 5x expanded from 775 to 11062 characters, is new enough, long enough, well-sourced, and copyvio-free. QPQ not needed. The hook is interesting and sourced to the Finnish newspaper Iltalehti (which checks out, per Google Translate), however per WP:DYKHOOK the claim in the hook also has to be in the article. Can you add this fact somewhere in the article?
The hook also flows flows a little awkwardly. Might I suggest
I don't know how long this procedure typically takes, but I feel sorry for the guy who has to inspect all that bilge and sewage. kencf0618 (talk) 16:00, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think the start of the hook has a grammar issue, may I suggest:
Comment: The draft was made by me, User:Buckshot06 published it for me
Additionally 7th Marine Brigade is an alternate name for the Special Operations Brigade (PLA Navy Marine Corps), also known as the Jiaolong commandos
as of nominating it for Dyk, the article was published exactly 7 days ago so if i have to may I request the 7 day limit be extended
Note: I have replaced the word "police" in Thehistorianissac's potential hook with the word "authorities." There is no single Somali Police - most are a bunch of clanmilitia; most are a total mishmash of various feuding armed groups. The information available is not sufficient to even guarantee that the persons concerned were handed over to the Somali Federal Police, the bunch that exploits and rapaciously profits from the security needs of the inhabitants of Mogadishu. Buckshot06(talk)21:05, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Adequate sourcing: - There is a citation needed tag in the lead (can be cited to the OE Watch source) and an uncited sentence beginning with "Sixteen". CGTN is deprecated (see WP:CGTN), so it should be replaced with a better source. It is unclear if the CCTV video is an appropriate source, since the same entry at RSP says that "CCTV International" is also deprecated. The other sources look good; the National Interest piece mentions the Somalia incident as well, in case it helps.
Overall: Gonna list a few things here, apologize for the rapid-fire writing style. I believe no QPQ is required, as neither nominator has nominated 5 DYKs. Is there a source for the claim that the soldier in the picture is a member of this unit? As the article is currently written, it is unclear if the April 2017 and 5 May 2017 incidents are the same or not. SCMP says they are, this should be clarified. The article also claims that the pirates were handed over to the Somali Police Force, when the description of the CGTN source says they were handed over to the "semi-autonomous northern region of Puntland" – Buckshot correctly adjusted this to "Somali authorities" in the DYK hook but the article text needs to be updated too. Toadspike[Talk]20:31, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: Hans E. Mayer, "Carving up Crusaders: The Early Ibelins and Ramlas", in Outremer: Studies in the History of the Crusading Kingdom of Jerusalem Presented to Joshua Prawer, ed. Benjamin Z. Kedar, Hans E. Mayer, and R.C. Smail (Yad Izhak Ben-Zvi Institute, 1982), p. 111.
Reviewed:
Created by Adam Bishop (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
For a long time I have been considering creating this article. Helvis is mentioned rather frequently by the leading historians of the crusades, especially by Mayer. The reason I did not create the article, however, is that I could not find evidence of in-depth coverage. All I could gather was genealogical information, and this is all I see in the article now: a list of her family (parents, brothers, husbands, sons) in which she is covered as a link between various men. Is anything known about Helvis's actions? Surtsicna (talk) 13:22, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I was thinking about creating it for a long time as well, and I had the same problem. I wasn't sure I should list it here, since you're right, there's not much about her aside from genealogy. The most that seems to have been written about her is by Hans Mayer, about the possible dates of her birth and marriages. I will see if I can squeeze any more information about the sources I have at hand. Adam Bishop (talk) 23:13, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Driveby nom. There have got to be more hooks than this (and indeed there was a claim that would have made a good hook that I removed as it failed WP:RSP), but I'm glazing over.
Article is new enough, long enough, and within policy. No copyright violations detected. The original hook doesn't stike me as interesting but I think Alt1B is interesting. My only issue is I am having a hard time verifying the hook. The cited reference is a main page for the team but without any text/prose. What am I looking for here? Maybe this is something obvious to someone who understands sports teams but I'm not seeing the term non-varsity used anywhere. Do we have a source that verifies this using that language? If so where?4meter4 (talk) 01:18, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'll leave the varsity part to others (since I didn't add that part), but I think if we were to clarify in the article, we could make ALT0 more interesting. The team won 14 games and per ESPN, 6 were by forfeit. We could then do a hook of ALT2 ... that nearly half of the wins of the San Jose State Spartans women's volleyball team in 2024 were by forfeit?, which I think is interesting. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:31, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Understanding the varsity/non-varsity distinction would need local knowledge. It's unlikley to make sense to large numbers of readers. --Northernhenge (talk) 16:52, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That's a good point. I'm striking it as rejected per this assessment. Alt2 is the better choice. @BeanieFan11 Please let me know when the Alt2 hook fact has been added to the article with an inline citation.4meter4 (talk) 17:28, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5:: Is there formal guidance on this, as hooks always seem across the board w.r.t. providing context. Randomly looking at the current set, "... that Shō Sen'i was overthrown in favor of his thirteen-year-old nephew?"[11] doesn't say who this person is, where it happened, or when. I always took this as a DYK standard to give creative liberty on how much/little context might draw interest to the hook. Still, "baseball" can be fit in somewhere, if needed. But is there benefit beyond "OK, I still don't understand this, but it's a sport I don't care about"?—Bagumba (talk) 03:57, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Recently, there has been some pushback against hooks that rely on "obscure US sport terminology" (to quote AirshipJungleman29), and the hook as currently written may be too reliant on American readership in this case. I understand baseball is a fairly popular sport in parts of the world, which is why the hook angle itself isn't unsalvageable. It's just that it might need some slight rewording for the benefit of audiences. It could be as simple as adding "baseball player" before Henderson's name, or perhaps something else. Anything to encourage readers to click on the bolded link, while also not being too technical to turn away readers. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:20, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: In this case, "20–50" is not basic baseball terminology either, so the goal is to get curious readers—even American baseball readers—to click because they did not already know what it was. Here's an ALT w/ baseball:
... that London's stretcher railings(example pictured) were mass-produced using an all-metal design to make it easier to clean, and still have kinks that were used as feet from their original purpose as stretchers?
ALT1a ... that London's stretcher railings(pictured) were mass-produced using an all-metal design to be easier to clean, and still have kinks that were used as feet?
ALT1b ... that London's stretcher railings were mass-produced using an all-metal design to be easier to clean, and still have kinks (example pictured) that were used as feet?
A great topic, and the article is new enough and meets the basic GA requirements on length. No evidence of plagiarism; two images, suitably licensed. No need for a QPQ. However, the article relies heavily on Atlas Obscura, which is an unreliable source per WP:RSP. The hook is interesting, but I would suggest trimming for length: something like:
... that London's stretcher railings(example pictured) were mass-produced using an all-metal design to be easier to clean, and still have kinks that were used as feet?
Hi @UndercoverClassicist, thanks for the notes. When writing, I was a little suspicious of the source as it looked liked WP:UGC, but I was not aware of WP:AOPLACES. I've removed those citations; it just so happened that in the two instances of those citations, the content was also verified in the immediately subsequent citation and there's no paragraph without an inline, so I believe this should satisfy WP:V but let me know if you have additional concerns. As to your suggestion, I agree, my orginal was a little too wordy. I will endorse your ALT1. Thanks, Bobby Cohn (talk) 23:32, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Approved either of the ALT1s. The article could do with a a wider bibliography, as (correctly) removing Atlas Obscura has left it a little thing, but it passes the bar that it needs to at this stage. UndercoverClassicistT·C14:02, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is my first DYK nom with an image. The set builder will notice the only difference between the ALT1s is the brackets, and I'm okay if they want to take liberties with (example pictured) vs. (pictured) in either location. Thanks all, Bobby Cohn (talk) 15:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Another comment not review: The comma between "dictator" and "Julius Caesar" is incorrect. Since removing the comma would cause MOS:SEAOFBLUE issues, I suggest also removing the link on "dictator". Toadspike[Talk]19:54, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello I will review this. New enough and long enough. Please could you check the edits I made.
I cannot find the original and ALT1 hooks in the cite above. Re ALT2 source says 'It is said that ...." so ALT2 would have to be modified but I would still find it interesting. Would you like to suggest an ALT3 based on ALT2 or shall I? Chidgk1 (talk) 15:55, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That looks better - I would just like to tweak slightly to
ALT4: ... that it is said that Congo's first named woman artist Antoinette Lubaki painted her watercolours by candlelight at night, as no stories were allowed to be told during daylight?
@MumphingSquirrel: Ah I see now that the original and ALT1 hooks are supported by other cites in the article so if you prefer you could modify them. Also please could you cite or remove the 2 statements I tagged in the article.
... that despite collecting plant specimens not to identify new species, Harold Harrington was the first to collect a species that would be named for him?
Hello and welcome to DYK. Right now, Fossils of Finland is only 235 characters long, far below the 1,500 character minimum requirement. The article's wording is also in need of a copyedit. As this appears to be your first nomination and English doesn't seem to be your first language, we can be lenient and give the article a week to be brought up to standards. If you need any assistance, please do not hesitate to ask for advice over at WT:DYK. Good luck! Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:12, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It has been almost a week since the nomination, but the article has not made any edits to the article, nor did they properly respond to the above. As the article is nowhere near a state appropriate for DYK and also now has a notability tag, this nomination is marked for closure. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:24, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It seems to me that the DogWorldLive64 profile (used to create/nominate this title) has primarily been used for disruptive editing. And, while "the creator also engaged in vandalism" is not strictly one of the WP:DYKRULES, three of the five WP:DYKAIMs are to: 'showcase' new/improved/quality content, to 'acknowledge' the work of the creating editor, and to 'encourage' such behaviours and recruit others to do the same. Personally I don't think DYK nom is one that deserves/warrants 'showcasing' or the related behaviours should be 'acknowledged' or 'encouraged'. Whatever about an AfD, I think this DYK should be closed/rejected. As an extension of WP:DENY. Guliolopez (talk) 15:16, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Which would be a good point, however this was started off by that user as a 200-odd character stub and would now be eligible as a 5x expansion by a different user. (It's currently just over 1,400; might finish the job when I'm feeling less spaced out.)--Launchballer15:29, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that the African Dirini (Aeropetes tulbaghia pictured) diverged from its closest relative when South America was thousands of kilometres away from the African coast? Source: Same as above
ALT2: ... that its closest relative of the African Dirini (Aeropetes tulbaghia pictured) is from South America? Source: Same as above
Comment: Thank you in advance to the reviewer for their time and hard work! I have three re-wordings of the same hook for ALT0-2, but if there is an alternative wording, I would be more than happy to hear it through! As a note: the source says "sister taxon" but I've used the more approachable wording "closest relative." The key point is that this entirely Southern African group's closest relative is from South America, and the divergence was when South America was quite far away from Africa when this happened.
Created by Ornithoptera (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 50 past nominations.
Good question Lajmmoore, my line of thinking was that since the Dirini are a tribe of butterflies rather than a single species, I felt the need to specify the genus/species in the pictured term. Since, in my view, a simple "pictured" wouldn't make sense for a group of several genera. However, since most DYK nominations are for a single species rather than a higher level classification, I'm not sure if there is a precedent to work off of. Though, it may be a more elegant solution to just have the "pictured" and then retain the image caption. I'm not entirely sure. Ornithoptera (talk) 17:12, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that the Polish subgenre of speculative fiction known as klerykal fiction emerged in the 1990s as a response to societal fears of church influence in politics? Source: see sources cited at the end of the sentence: " its period of popularity is attributed to the first half of the 1990s. In Poland, this period was characterized by, among other things, a decline in public trust in the church, combined with the church's entry into politics, which led to the emergence of anti-church movements.[1][3][11]"
ALT1: ... that Polish klerykal fiction has been described as both a critique of institutionalized religiosity and an artistic response to neoconservative views? Source: Mazurkiewicz, Adam (2014). "Fantastyka religijna jako zjawisko osobne (rekonesans)". In Leś, Mariusz M.; Stasiewicz, Piotr (eds.). Motywy religijne we współczesnej fantastyce (in Polish). Białystok: Wydawnictwo Uniwersytetu w Białymstoku. pp. 33–50
Comment: Disclaimer & trivia. I asked ChatGPT to generate hooks as an experiment, feeding it DYK guidelines on hooks and the article's text. I think these two turned out nicely (I just needed to match the claims with the sources).
Improved to Good Article status by Piotrus (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 541 past nominations.
... that Cher, Prince, Grace Jones, Madonna, and Olivia Newton-John all participated in the 1979 roller disco craze?
Source: "Undiscarded: Stories of New York: Ep7 – Rollerskate". The City Reliquary. 2023-05-17. Archived from the original on January 3, 2025. Retrieved 2025-01-03. https://web.archive.org/web/20250103154034/https://www.cityreliquary.org/undiscarded-rollerskate/ -- " Mr. Charisma’s (another moniker for Mr. Butler) stylish tricks and effortless skating style (Brooklyn Bounce, Wobbly Duck) made the rink a HOT destination and drew storied celebrities away from the snooty uptown clubs (Studio 54) down to the warm & accepting Brooklyn Rink. Most famously Cher herself" ............. Other celebrities source: Reaven, M., Zeitlin, S. (2006). Hidden New York: A Guide to Places That Matter. Rutgers University Press, 114. Ortiz, Lori. (2011) Disco Dance. ABC-CLIO, 127.
ALT1: ... that The Kalamazoo News described the "Disco Dip" as "the pioneering roller disco record" of 1979? Source: "Faster Than Sound". Kalamazoo News. 15 November 1979. p. 16. Retrieved 2025-01-02. "The “Disco Dip," created by Ed Chalpin of PPX Enterprises, has until now been credited as the pioneering roller disco record. But according to A stound-A Sound Productions, a small New Jersey-based company, its “Roller Palace”.beat out Chalpin's product by one day.....Squabble, squabble. Everybody wants to be credited for jumping on the bandwagon first."
ALT3: ... that during the roller disco craze of 1979, Mr. Charisma's "stylish tricks" made the Empire Roller Disco "a HOT destination"? Source: "Undiscarded: Stories of New York: Ep7 – Rollerskate". The City Reliquary. 2023-05-17. Archived from the original on January 3, 2025. Retrieved 2025-01-03. https://www.cityreliquary.org/undiscarded-rollerskate/ "Mr. Charisma’s (another moniker for Mr. Butler) stylish tricks and effortless skating style (Brooklyn Bounce, Wobbly Duck) made the rink a HOT destination and drew storied celebrities away from the snooty uptown clubs (Studio 54) down to the warm & accepting Brooklyn Rink. Most famously Cher herself"
Reviewed:
5x expanded by Evedawn99 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
This is good work, Evedawn99, but the article has not been expanded fivefold. The article has the potential to produce very good hooks, however. Perhaps you should aim for improving it to GA status and then nominate it again. Surtsicna (talk) 00:30, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
To be more precise, the article previously had 2219 prose characters, so a 5× expansion would require 11095 prose characters, and currently has just under half that, at 5418. Unless it can be expanded by another 5677 prose characters, and very quickly, it will not qualify for DYK. Surtsicna's recommendation may be the best way for it to become eligible. Best of luck! BlueMoonset (talk) 00:03, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi all, thank you so much for reviewing! I will do my best to contribute more research in the meantime regarding various specific roller discos to see if I can get it to GA status and 11095 prose characters, likely tomorrow when I have computer access, but I understand if this article misses the nomination. Thanks again everyone for the support, and I appreciate your breakdown regarding the current fivefold ineligibility. I will do my best to see if I am able to allocate and contribute the appropriate amount of research tomorrow.Evedawn99 (talk) 18:51, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi everyone, I am currently expanding the article with more factual information from several new sources. I cannot figure out how to count the prosesize, but it is currently 6,555 bytes larger than it was yesterday. I will continue to expand the article as I feel is appropriate, but I wanted to update on my progress so far. Evedawn99 (talk) 16:53, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Up to 27,296 bytes (up 11,333 bytes since yesterday) with plenty of added research! Does it qualify quite yet? Please let me know and thanks again. Evedawn99 (talk) 20:33, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Evedawn99: To qualify for GA status, an article has to be first nominated over at WP:GAN. Note that nominations can take weeks or even months to be reviewed, so please be patient after nominating. However, once GA status has been given, the article can be renominated for DYK. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:48, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Evedawn99, not quite yet, though you've made great progress. You're up to 9515 prose characters (an increase of 7296), with 11095 your goal, so another 1580 prose characters are needed to make a fivefold expansion. (Note to Narutolovehinata5: Evedawn99 is attempting a 5x expansion still, and is already over 4x. No GA needed at this rate.) Keep up the good work! BlueMoonset (talk) 02:01, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that Brooklyn's Roll-A-Palace was "the front-runner of the roller-disco craze"?
Source: "What's Hot? What's Not?". Cue: The Weekly Magazine of New York Life. Cue Publishing Company. 1979. " ... the front - runner of the roller - disco craze , a fabulous $ 2 million roller disco in a former movie theater that has been earning its $ 4 ( including skates ) admission price for the past two years . "
... that China has sanctioned over 100 foreign individuals and entities with asset freezes and other restrictions due to alleged interference with China's sovereignty?
Source: https://iclg.com/practice-areas/sanctions/china Sanction reasons included interference with sovereignty, selling weapons to Taiwan and imposing unilateral sanctions related to Xinjiang and Hong Kong. Until August 2024, over 100 individuals and entities have been placed on the list.
@Pbritti: lol on your edit at Special:Diff/1268313206. Actually I was almost going to do this DYK review because I have some articles coming up in the future that I will need QPQ for, but then I realised that I couldn't because I had edited the article a bit. Anyway when I was going to review it, I did a bit of googling about another Australian politician named Pauline Hanson to determine if she was the first female to wear a hijab because a number of years ago in an act of racist belligerence she's decided to wear a Burqa in parliament. Anyway I was glad at the time to see that Hanson wasn't the first to female to wear a hijab in parliament. TarnishedPathtalk05:11, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi TarnishedPath, just wanted to double check if were you intending to follow through on reviewing Payman's article? If so, I'll leave you to it, but if not, I would love to take a look at it when I have the time to this week! Ornithoptera (talk) 18:03, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that Elisheva Biernoff paints recreations of found vintage snapshot photographs, including details like lens flare and overexposure? Source: The New Yorker: "Working from found photographs—snapshots—Biernoff creates works that match, in size, scale, and color, what she sees in the original images." Artforum: "For more than a decade, Elisheva Biernoff has painted exquisitely uncanny trompe l’oeil re-creations of vintage found photographs. Taken as a group, the snapshots on which she bases her works are of no great distinction. Some feature a failure of some kind—overexposure, lens flare, water damage, the accidental intrusion of a foot into the frame, or the glaring reflection of a flash on glass or mirror."
Comment: Largest exhibition on traditional artworks from Tanzania ever, catalogue out of print, with original versions in German and Swahili. This article on the en-WP fills a gap.
Created by Munfarid1 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 25 past nominations.
^Kerstin Volker (1995), "Tanzania: Masterworks of African Sculpture", African Arts, vol. 28, no. 1, pp. 84–86, doi:10.2307/3337256, JSTOR3337256
^Kecskési, Maria (1994), Jens Jahn, Haus der Kulturen der Welt, Berlin und Städtische Galerie im Lenbachhaus, München (ed.), "Einleitung (introduction)", Tanzania: Meisterwerke afrikanischer Skulptur. Sanaa za Mabingwa wa Kiafrika. (in German and Swahili), München: Fred Jahn, pp. 17–18, ISBN3-88645-118-6{{citation}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: editors list (link)
@Munfarid1: I am looking closely at your article. Can you confirm that the image in the hook (Makonde mask from Tanzania) appeared at the Tanzania. Masterworks of African Sculpture exhibition? Viriditas (talk) 22:27, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for pointing this out. Actually, the only sculpture from the exhibition on Wikimedia is the Sukuma mask I have now exchanged for the first image of a Makonde mask.- I hope this works just as well. (This mask was sold to Stanford Museum by the Jahn gallery after the exhibition took place. I have checked it in the catalogue and this provenance is mentioned on the museum's image file.
I want to congratulate you on covering such an important topic. One thing that stands out is the structure and composition related to this exhibition. Wikipedia has hundreds of such articles, covering some of the most popular as well as some of the most obscure art exhibitions in history. I would say that none of them are written in this style. Although your article doesn't diverge all that much from best practices, it does do a few things that are unusual that I can go into, but I think it would be more helpful for you to take a look at how other articles cover the subject. One way to do this is to explore Category:Art exhibitions by country. You will find some commonalities in the structure of sections. These include history, floor plan, exhibits, themes, legacy, list of artists, images, and other sections. Catalogues are generally used as sources, not as their own focus. I think the content you added here works, but the way you structure it should not be around the catalog as you do, but around the exhibition itself. It's a subtle change in focus that wouldn't require much modification. It would also take the focus off the authors and put it back on to the art exhibits. Viriditas (talk) 23:11, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I will answer on the article's talk page, as this complex idea does not stricly relate to the DYK nomination.
... that Polish 1960 sci-fi novel Wielka, większa i największa was very influential for Polish young adult literature? Source: multiple scholarly sources, with several quotations, all grouped in the section 'Milestone in Polish youth fiction' (but I am afraid all in Polish and few digitized, I was working with scans for the most part...).
ALT1: ... that Polish 1960 sci-fi novel Wielka, większa i największa was very influential for Polish young adult literature and has been a compulsory or recommended reading in Polish schools for many decades? Source: for additional sources regarding compulsory/recommended status, see 'Awards and recognition' section
Comment: 2nd hook is longer but contains another interesting claim, plus most English readers are probably not familiar with the concept of compulsory reading...
Improved to Good Article status by Piotrus (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 540 past nominations.
"Of all the unlikely musical developments that could have taken place in the closing years of the 20th century, the avant-tango movement is probably the second least likely (right after Christian death metal)."
Comment: I re-created this from the redirect. The article content is over 10x expanded from its previous greatest size prior to conversion into redirect.
5x expanded by 3family6 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 108 past nominations.
This might be the most epic hook among the current nominations, and I suspect that even better hooks might be produced from the article. I hope someone more knowledgeable than me will take this on soon enough. Surtsicna (talk) 17:51, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that at Taur Ikhbeineh in the Gaza Strip archaeologists found evidence of interactions between Egyptians and Canaanites in the 4th millennium BC?
Source: "The presence of both locally manufactured Egyptian and Canaanite wares undoubtedly implies that two potters' workshops operated respectively side by side at Taur Ikhbeineh or somewhere nearby and, consequently, as a result of close cultural interaction in that region, a distinctive local pottery repertoire ("Besor group") was augmented"
Source: Campbell, A. C. (1898). Glimpses of the Nizams Dominions. pp. 168–169. Close to the Char Minar, on the left of the main r o a d, approached by a very narrow lane, is the Juma Musjid, erected by Sultan Mahomed Kuli in 1598. This is the oldest musjid in Hyderabad.
ALT1: ... that the Jama Masjid was the first mosque to be built in Hyderabad? Source: Campbell, A. C. (1898). Glimpses of the Nizams Dominions. pp. 168–169. Close to the Char Minar, on the left of the main road, approached by a very narrow lane, is the Juma Musjid, erected by Sultan Mahomed Kuli in 1598. This is the oldest musjid in Hyderabad.
ALT2: ... that the inscriptions of the Jama Masjid, Hyderabad "may compare favorably with the best calligraphic specimens of other countries"? Source: Yazdani, Ghulam (1921). Epigraphia Indo-Moslemica, 1917-18. Calcutta: Superintendent Government Printing, India. p. 43. The bold sweeping curves and fine, crisp vertical and horizontal stroke of these inscriptions exhibit art of a high order and they may compare favourably with the best calligraphic specimens of other countries.
The article falls short of a fivefold expansion even when I count the lead section, which repeats information from the rest of the article. Therefore it does not yet qualify for DYK. Surtsicna (talk) 16:51, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You are right. I only see 3442 characters when the lead is not counted, however. Would it be possible to add 500 more? I would also suggest improving the citation style; rather than putting all the citations at the end of the paragraph, try putting them right after the sentence to which they relate. I am looking forward to reading a bit more about the masjid. Surtsicna (talk) 22:52, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks a lot, AmateurHi$torian! I started with a source spot check. Citation #4 does not seem to cover the first paragraph of the first section (coincidentally where the hook comes from), unless I am missing something. It explicitly says the opposite, that it was not the first mosque, and it does not mention "congregational" at all. Surtsicna (talk) 23:22, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Surtsicna: Ah, I've just noticed that Sherwani calls the prayer-hall in Charminar a "mosque". This interpretation would make the Jama Masjid the second mosque of the city, so I'll strike the first two hooks. I've altered the article to the same effect. The word "congregational" is used in the second paragraph, and the source for that is #5 (Bilgrami) already cited within the paragraph, who calls it an assembly mosque. AmateurHi$torian (talk) 00:10, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
So far so good. The article is now clearly sufficiently expanded. It is certainly comprehensive and well sourced. I should also note that the expansion is recent enough and that I have not detected any close paraphrasing. I think there is an even more interesting hook hiding in the article:
... that in between the innings of his high school baseball games, Red Weiner(pictured) would remove his equipment, travel over to his school's track, and compete for the track and field team?
Source: Star Ledger ("In between innings, he would shuck his catching togs and jog over to the nearby track, pick up a javelin and throw for the track and field team.")
ALT1: ... that Red Weiner was a "whale of a football player"? Source: Morning Call quote
ALT2: ... that in 1934, Red Weiner helped the Philadelphia Eagles defeat their opponent so bad that the they folded? Source: NBC ("The last Eagles quarterback to throw two TD passes in a game where he threw four or fewer passes was Reds Weiner in that historic 64-0 win over the Cincinnati Reds at Temple Stadium in West Oak Lane in 1934 ... The Reds folded a few days later.")
ALT4: ... that Red Weiner was among the NFL's leaders in passing touchdowns despite throwing only six passes in the entire season? Source: PFR
ALT5: ... that in the same season, Red Weiner played for the Philadelphia Eagles against the Reading Keys, and for the Reading Keys against the Philadelphia Eagles? Source: discussed in "Professional career" section
ALT7: ... that football player Red Weiner accomplished a feat for the Philadelphia Eagles in 1934 that was not repeated until 2024? Source: see ref for ALT2
The hook may need some copyediting or revising. There are too many blue links which are likely to distract from the main point. In addition, the hook as currently written might be too technical for readers who are unfamiliar with association football or soccer. Perhaps someone like SounderBruce could assist with a hook and suggest more layperson-friendly wordings? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:57, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
From my experience of following football I'd say it's very rare for a goalkeeper to save three penalty kicks in the same match. According to this clever looking piece of research, there's a 14.7% chance of a goalkeeper saving a penalty. I've not got the brain capacity to work out the chance of saving three based on this but I'd imagine it's pretty slim. Mattythewhite (talk) 18:29, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that evading the Ottoman authorities' pursuit for leading a local rebellion, the Ibn Shillif brothers found safe haven in the Alawite villages of Ayn al-Kurum and Annab?
Source: Winter, Stefan (2016). A History of the 'Alawis: From Medieval Aleppo to the Turkish Republic. Princeton and Oxford: Princeton University Press. p. 135
Comment: First hook is an attempt at a quirky (Derek Jeter is the more famous Jeter). The expansion was from this version (454 words, per my word counter) to this version (2312 words, per my word counter), though I am going to add more content in the next few hours regarding aftermath, which will further the expansion.
... that Hans Dieter Beck(pictured) usually used a bicycle to work as a leader of C. H. Beck legal publishing, running the family business in the sixth generation, until age 92? Source: [13]
The hook is actually interesting, but it lacks focus due to being too long and trying to fit in too many facts into one hook. Suggesting a split into two separate hooks, with the decision on what hook to use to be left to the reviewer:
ALT1 ... that Hans Dieter Beck(pictured) usually used a bicycle to work as a leader of C. H. Beck legal publishing?
ALT2 ... that Hans Dieter Beck(pictured) ran his family business, the C. H. Beck legal publishing house, until the age of 92?
Thank you for the offers, but how about leaving the fact in that I found most stunning: that the used the bicycle until age 92, a few weeks before he died while in office? + I find the office more interesting when knowing what kind of long-run family tradition there is behind it, and he one of two leaders, from 1973. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:49, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT3 ... that Hans Dieter Beck(pictured) rode a bicycle to work until shortly before his death at the age of 92?
ALT3a ... that Hans Dieter Beck(pictured), one of the two leaders of C. H. Beck, rode a bicycle to work until shortly before his death at the age of 92?
Thank you for trying, but I'm not happy with wasting characters on mentioning his death, - work at age 92 seems impressive enough, and then in a company-leading function. ALT3a is closer to what I'd like. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:25, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I too prefer the original, but it is rather long. How about the following rearrangement:
ALT4 ... that as co-head of the publisher C. H. Beck, Hans Dieter Beck(pictured) rode a bicycle to work until he was 92?
... that although the herb spiked savory is protected under Israeli law, the leaves of the plant are foraged by the local population, in preparation for making a spice mixture?
Comment: I have submitted two individual sources; one showing that the plant is protected under Israeli law, and the other showing how that it is foraged by the locals between April and June. I will also begin working on my QPQ, in the article Deval Masjid.
Created by Davidbena (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 7 past nominations.
Comment, typically for DYK the target article is bolded and usually a single name would be chosen rather than both the common name and the scientific name. In addition, per MOS:COMMONNAME, the common name is rendered in lowercase. Thus, the best approach would be to have it as "spiked savory" for the purposes of the hook. Ornithoptera (talk) 18:08, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: Re: smallest: "Even last season, his 11th in the NHL, Gaudreau, all grown up, was all of 5-9, 163. Among the 1,022 players who appeared in the League, only 15 were shorter. Only five were lighter."
Re: All-Star appearances: "In 2014-15, his first full season with Calgary, Gaudreau made the first of seven NHL All-Star Game appearances and was named to the NHL All-Rookie Team."
Improved to Good Article status by The Kip (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
As I considered the GA pursuit as a form of honoring his memory, I figured I'd aim to celebrate him with the DYK and avoid something about his death/the aftermath. TheKip(contribs)07:57, 8 January 2025 (UTC).[reply]
Excellent work, The Kip. It was a lovely idea to celebrate the man with a GA and now a DYK. The GA promotion is recent, and the article expectedly passes the rest of the DYK requirements. I would strongly suggest including the photo in the nomination because of its quality and potential to draw in readers. I have some questions:
How do we explain the discrepancy in heights given in the article? The infobox says 5 ft 9 in (175 cm); Johnny_Gaudreau#USHL says 5 ft 6 in (1.68 m). It would be quite remarkable if he grew 7 cm after the age of 18. This has implications for the ALT0 hook because the NHL seem to have players far shorter than 5 ft 9 in (175 cm).
Can ALT1 succinctly explain or hint at why the decision stunned the hockey world? The hook would be more interesting to readers if it contrasted Gaudreau's success with the reputation of Columbus as "a bad destination, a bad city".
I see numerous high-quality photographs of Gaudreau and memorials to him on FlickR. Have you tried reaching out to the users who do not have their photographs under Wiki-suitable licenses to see if they would be willing to change the licenses for use on Wikipedia? It is not a requirement, but some of these photographs would be great contributions to the article.
Would it be possible to create an article about Matthew Gaudreau? On a cursory search I see enough coverage to say that he might pass Wikipedia's notability requirements. A double nomination would be nice.
Would it be possible to expand the lead? It seems rather short for an article of that size. I think it could safely be doubled.
Have you considered that a hook mentioning the Gaudreau brothers' deaths and/or the tributes paid to them might honor them by drawing the greatest number of people to read and learn about them? I know nothing about hockey and do not have any interest in it, and would not have chosen this nomination or read the article if you had not mentioned "his death/the aftermath" in the comment. Now I am glad I did.
@Surtsicna: Thanks for the response! I'll go point-by-point:
Honestly, I'd assume he simply did grow, though there's some inconsistencies with his exact height - there's sources over the years ranging from the 5'6" he was listed at the draft to 5'10" at one point during his career. Bottom line, the NHL had him listed at 5'9", and they're probably the most reliable source on this.
I've got some ideas for this, but I'm time-limited at the moment so I'll post those later.
With all due respect, that's a bit beyond the scope of DYK, and the article is fairly well-illustrated anyways.
Much as I hate to say it, Matthew doesn't really pass GNG. Only played college hockey and briefly in the minors, coached high school, and died alongside his brother - it would be heavily bordering on WP:BLP1E.
I'll take care of that a bit later.
Again, with all due respect, a bit beyond the scope of DYK - the current lead was found acceptable for GA.
I am suggesting changes that are not DYK requirements, and marking them as such, because you made me care about the subject. It is your fault :) If the height discrepancy cannot be explained in the article, I am not comfortable with promoting ALT0. ALT1 is still promising, but I think that it should be possible to come up with a hook that both highlights Gaudreau's achievements and causes an emotional reaction in the reader–with or without explicitly mentioning death–that makes them want to learn more. Surtsicna (talk) 18:54, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Surtsicna: regarding ALT0, even with the discrepancy of exact inches, the NHL source still outright declares him one of the shortest players in hockey - here's a second RS doing the same. I'm not really sure how the discrepancy creates an issue with the hook as a result.
On the issue of a more emotion-provoking ALT2 - I still can't think of any. I thought about trying to pull a quote from a notable obituary/tribute that didn't explicitly mention his death, but most of them were fairly run-of-the-mill. If it must be related to his death, I'd probably suggest:
But again, that would be my distant, distant third choice behind the original hook and ALT1. I really would prefer to avoid one solely focusing on the tragedy - I think most of us would rather that not be what he's mainly remembered for. TheKip(contribs)04:11, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That is a better source for ALT0 because it calls him "one of the shortest" when listing him as 5 ft 9 in. The one describing him as "the shortest" when listing him as 5 ft 6 in could be called outdated by the time Gaudreau was a seven-time All-Star if he really somehow grew three inches in the meantime. ALT2 is very weak, not at all what I had in mind. But the source you just cited for the height has the potential to produce something very sweet. How about: Gaudreau with the Calgary Flames in 2016ALT3: ... that the seven-time All-StarJohnny Gaudreau(pictured) was a "hero" who paved the way for smaller hockey players, according to a teammate now wearing his jersey number? Or something like this. It does not explicitly mention his death, but hints at a loss while also highlighting his success and achievements. A photo would make it even more impactful. Surtsicna (talk) 15:30, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Surtsicna: I could work with that, and I'd definitely prefer to include an image - not sure why I didn't initially include it, but I'll retroactively add. I'd hesitate to call Caufield a teammate as they only played together on the national team (rather than an NHL one) but it could be something like:
Alright, we will go with ALT0. It is a perfectly fine hook. We will need a single source for it, however, otherwise it looks a bit SYNTHy, and the hook fact should be explicitly stated in the article with that source. This will be overall useful because the article does not yet explain why this was special. Surtsicna (talk) 18:55, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Surtsicna: The source used for his small-ness notes at the end that he was a seven-time All-Star, so I think that covers it - I'll try to work that into the lead of the article, though. TheKip(contribs)19:05, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Right, I missed that. I would include it in the article body as well per MOS:LEAD, but I suppose that for DYK purposes it does not matter where in the article it is. Surtsicna (talk) 19:17, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Reinstatement of capital punishment in the Democratic Republic of the Congo
But since there is so much reporting about the reinstatement itself, I think a separate article is warranted. Although, I do not oppose a merge. TNM101 (chat) 13:27, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that when the French web series Blow Up briefly aired on television in 2014, its allotted airtime was too short to fit some of its episodes?
Source: (in French) "'Blow Up' : les secrets de fabrication du webmag d'Arte" (transl. "'Blow Up': the secrets of the creation of the Arte webmag.") "Elle l'a diffusé une fois, en 2014, pendant six mois. C'était très intéressant, sauf qu'on m'avait imposé une durée de 4,10 minutes par vidéo. Pour certains formats, comme les 'Bio express', je pouvais m'en sortir. Mais pour les 'Top 5', il était impossible de comprimer les séquences." (transl. "It broadcast it once, in 2014, for six months. It was very interesting, except that I was given a duration of 4.10 minutes per video. For certain formats, like 'Bio express', I could get by. But for the 'Top 5', it was impossible to compress the sequences.")
Reviewed:
Comment: In the article, the fact is in the second paragraph of § Release. The citation is at the end of that paragraph.
Created by CopperyMarrow15 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Article was new enough and long enough at the time of the nomination. QPQ is not needed for a nom with less than five nominations. I did not find close paraphrasing. Assuming good faith on the French sources. The hook and the article don't exactly match: the hook says episodes, but the article says it was formats that couldn't fit. However, given the intent, I'm willing to let it slide since the point is still essentially the same. A reference also has to be duplicated to the relevant sentence supporting the hook fact per WP:DYKHFC. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:05, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Narutolovehinata5, thank you for reviewing my nomination! I have added the citation as you suggested. Regarding your comment about the mismatching terms, the hook and the article are meant to reflect the same fact. As explained in § Overview, episodes of Blow Up come in various formats (e.g. "Bio express" and "Top 5"), so saying "a format" is equivalent to saying "episodes in a format". If you think this wording is confusing, let me know, and I can rewrite the sentence in the article. –CopperyMarrow15(talk – edits)03:42, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: Second time doing this ever. I also think a hook about the challenge system being implemented would also be interesting. Let me know if I missed anything during a second opinion. Heart(talk)03:07, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
HeartGlow30797, I am not sure I understand your review. Are you requesting a second opinion? It looks like you approved the hook but are asking for another opinion. « Gonzo fan2007(talk) @ 13:56, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks HeartGlow30797. You actually need to add a "tick", something like {{subst:DYKtick}} to approve the hook and move the process forward. The red arrow tick you used is to call for a second reviewer to take a look. « Gonzo fan2007(talk) @ 14:54, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Christopher Trychay, The Voices of Morebath, Churchwardens' accounts
... that in 2014, photographer Peter Miller stated that the "Vermont Way" of grumbling and every so often remembering that "we live in beauty" was "coming to an end"?
Source: "We self-employed Vermonters grumble but we have carried on and every so often we remember that we live in beauty. That’s the Vermont Way and I think it is coming to an end." VTDigger
... that the bureau of higher education, the predecessor to the Directorate General of Higher Education, had to compete for funding against other, larger bureaus? Source: Thomas, Robert Murray (1973). A Chronicle of Indonesian Higher Education: The First Half Century, 1920-1970. Chopmen. pp. 180–181.
Source: 1) James R. Russell (2000). The Heroes of Kasht (Kašti Kʿaǰer). p. 34. "Ervand Koč‘ar’s bronze equestrian statue of David, brandishing his Lightning-Sword, stands in front of Erevan’s rail terminus. It and Mt. Ararat are perhaps the most widely-recognized emblems of Armenia."
2) Basmadjian, Vartoug (1995). "Light in darkness: The spirit of Armenian nonconformist art". In Rosenfeld, Alla; Dodge, Norton T. (eds.). From Gulag to Glasnost: Nonconformist Art from the Soviet Union. New York: Thames & Hudson. p. 229. "When Kotchar's monumental work depicting the Armenian hero David of Sassoun was erected in Yerevan in 1959, it became, after Mount Ararat, the most powerful and popular symbol of Armenia."
... that although nine alibi witnesses placed Temujin Kensu over 400 miles from a shooting in Port Huron, Michigan in November 1986, he was convicted of murder and has been in prison ever since?
ALT1: ... that after Temujin Kensu was convicted of murder in 1987 and sentenced to life imprisonment, a juror told the press that "his alibi was too perfect"? Source: Brown, John F. (1987-05-19). "Freeman jury verdict took 5 votes". The Times Herald. Port Huron. p. 3 – via newspapers.com.
Comment: Vulture sources are locked behind a paywall after accessing five links from that website in a single month. It can be bypassed by opening the link in an incognito tab, if necessary.
Moved to mainspace by TheDoctorWho (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 7 past nominations.
Comment: I think that ALT1 is a better hook than the proposed one. I feel iffy about making a DYK that links to penis on the Wikipedia home page, and I think the ALT1 hook is more interesting and easier to read, and will prompt more people to want to read the article for more information. (I haven't commented like this on a DYK nomination before, so please move this comment if I put it in the wrong place.) —Mjks28 (talk) 08:39, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that escape rooms in Poland were not required to be inspected by fire officials before the deaths of five teenagers in the ToNiePokój escape room fire?
Source: "Podkreślił również, że działalność jaką jest escape room można założyć w ciągu jednego dnia i nie podlega ona obowiązkowi kontroli czy opiniowania ze strony straży pożarnej" ([15])
ALT1: ... that the deaths of five teenagers in Poland in the ToNiePokój escape room fire lead to inspections of escape rooms in Lithuania and Czechia? Source: " W związku z tragicznym pożarem escape roomu w Polsce z pięcioma ofiarami śmiertelnymi przeprowadzone zostaną kontrole podobnych obiektów w Czechach - poinformowali w poniedziałek przedstawiciele czeskiej straży pożarnej." ([16]); " Po tragicznym pożarze w escape roomie w Koszalinie, w którym zginęło pięć nastolatek, litewscy strażacy we wtorek zapowiedzieli kontrole w tego typu placówkach działających na Litwie." ([17])
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Created by Grumpylawnchair (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Given that April 1 entries are allowed to screw around with formatting a little for the sake of the joke, I strongly recommend that in this context we refer to Ms. Mus as "an Alien". Otherwise it just sounds broken. (Indefinite articles do go with personal names - "in my office, I work with three Steves and a Cindy", e.g., so it;ll work here.) DS (talk) 21:03, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I do not think this hook is a WP:DYKFICTION issue because "Death Angels" and "Happy" are both real-world nicknames, and the hook is stating that they are both used for the same creatures. That being said, I am open to alternative hooks if a better one can be thought of.
Created by Di (they-them) (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 32 past nominations.
... that the 1939 New York World's Fair included exhibitions, activities, performances, films, art, and food presented by 62 nations, 35 U.S. states and territories, and 1,400 organizations and companies? Source: Multiple, see article.
ALT1: ... that Howard Hughes named an airplane after the 1939 New York World's Fair and flew it around the world? Source: Marrett, G.J. (2016). Howard Hughes: Aviator. Naval Institute Press. p. 35.
ALT2: ... that to entice people to visit the 1939 New York World's Fair during 1940, business groups and hotels gave away 170 automobiles? Source: "Auto Is Offered As Daily Prize To Fair Visitors: N. Y. Hotels and Business Organizations Sponsors of 'Golden Key' Contest". New York Herald Tribune. April 27, 1940. p. 9A.
Improved to Good Article status by Epicgenius (talk). Nominated by Bebo12321 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
@Bebo12321: Thanks for nominating this, but I actually had several other hooks in mind and was not planning to nominate this until later. I'll adjust the nomination once I come up with these hooks.Epicgenius (talk) 20:04, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have added some more hooks (ALTs 1-5). Personally, I would not have nominated ALT0 since it merely describes what the fair is, but i guess it is what it is. Epicgenius (talk) 20:16, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A superbly written and referenced article that is chock-full of interesting factoids. Would be most happy to pass this once QPQ has been done. Cheers, --KINGofLETTUCE 👑🥬06:14, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – The nominator was blocked recently and the GA approval of this article was challenged. Relevant discussion is here. Yue🌙05:12, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
QPQ: - 1 is needed Overall: @Mhhossein: While this is an interesting nomination, only one source mentioned in the article spells her name the same way as it is written in the nomination. The Persian language source is used twice, although it is the same, and it mentions "the 'girl in the pink jacket'", which seems to make more grammatical sense in the English language. The article needs more citations from reliable sources. The Atlantic Council source written by Holly Dagres does not mention her name, nor the number of casualties, so different sources should be used to support the lead. What was written by Dagres, although used as a source, is not really mentioned in the article. Although this event was an incredibly sad one, there is not a source I could find on the article that mentions her as a symbol, or a "poignant symbol" as it says in the article. The unveiling of the artwork is unnecessarily mentioned two separate times in the same section. Aneirinn (talk) 18:16, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominations by a veteran DYK contributor, including a GA, make for some of the easiest DYK reviews. The Matlock and Dead! articles are new, long enough, and well-sourced. The GA is recent. The image looks very good. I see neither neutrality nor copyright concerns in any of the articles. Could you remind me of the DYK rule allowing for orthography bending outside of April's Fools hooks, Launchballer? I see that the band is often called DEAD! in the cited sources. Perhaps such all caps would be better than either dead! or Dead! in ALT0. Would it be fun and semantically appropriate to replace "formed" with "had" or "has"? The separate alternative hooks are all very interesting too, though it might be kinder to let Sam shine in his own right. I do love the meta element in ALT3. Surtsicna (talk) 11:45, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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... that Kit Nascimento, spokesperson for the government of Guyana during the aftermath of Jonestown, disagrees with current proposals to open the former Jonestown site as a tourist attraction?
Source: "The Santa Ynez Reservoir, a 117-million-gallon water resource near the Pacific Palisades, was under renovation and empty when fires tore through the Los Angeles neighborhood last week and firefighters quickly depleted available water resources, city officials said.
The reservoir is intended to provide water storage "for domestic use and fire fighting purposes in the Pacific Palisades area" according to city documents."
Source: [20] "Ya está puesto el +65 con los nombres de los fallecidos calados en la cruz. El soldador sube a dar los últimos toques para que el antimonumento quede firme." (The +65 is already in place, with the names of the deceased engraved on the cross. The welder climbs up to give the final touches to ensure the antimonument is secure.) Page 62.
ALT1: ... that the Antimonumento +65(pictured), dedicated to the miners who were trapped in the Pasta de Conchos mine disaster 19 years ago today, is complemented by a cage filled with hard hats buried in coal? Source: [21] Pero también traen una gran jaula [...] Uno a uno, los deudos se acercan a la jaula. Cada quien trae un casco que lleva escrito el nombre del familiar atrapado dentro de la mina y un pedazo de carbón mineral extraído en Coahuila [...] La jaula queda llena de cascos amarillos, blancos y azules. Llena también de grandes trozos de carbón que se deshacen, sueltan ceniza. (But they also bring a large cage [...] One by one, the relatives approach the cage. Each one carries a helmet with the name of the family member trapped inside the mine and a piece of coal extracted from Coahuila [...] The cage fills with yellow, white, and blue helmets. It also fills with large pieces of coal that crumble and release ash.) Page 67.
Comment: This is not a split from 2011 Super Outbreak; the only content carried over is the two-paragraph "Meteorological synopsis" section. If needed, I can give screenshots of the information over the Wikimedia Discord, as I know the source given is behind a Patreon Wall. They cite their summaries, so OR shouldn't be an issue.
Created by EF5 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 16 past nominations.
... that after founding an online campaign to counter Samoan gender-based violence, Maluseu Doris Tulifau moved to the country to expand the campaign in person? Source: "Ms Tulifau, 29, launched the non-profit feminist organisation in the US in 2014, and used the platform to share her own experience as a survivor of violence. She worked in community development and human rights in California before moving to Samoa ... In 2018, she began the second chapter of Brown Girl Woke initiative in Samoa where she uncovered the culture of silence and factors that fueled this." https://www.theaustraliatoday.com.au/brown-girl-woke-initiative-fights-culture-of-silence-in-the-pacific/
... that Johann Reinhold Forster, who together with his son George(both pictured) took part in the second voyage of James Cook, was described as "one of the Admiralty's great mistakes"? Source: Beaglehole, John C. (1969) [1961]. The Journals of Captain James Cook on his Voyages of Discovery. Vol. II. Cambridge: Published for the Hakluyt Society at the University Press. p. xliii
... that recycled housing for street dogs, a recruitment platform for international students and a podcast about Latin-American students in Ireland were all created by Diana Vicezar(pictured)?
Source: Street dogs: "Vicezar leitet seit September 2017 die Organisation Mymba Rayhu, die sich zum Ziel gesetzt hat, die Lebensqualität von Hunden auf der Straße zu verbessern, von denen viele von ihren Besitzern aufgegeben werden, indem sie Unterkünfte mit vollständig recycelten Materialien errichtet." [Since September 2017, Vicezar has led the organization Mymba Rayhu, which aims to improve the quality of life of street dogs, many of whom are abandoned by their owners, by building shelters with fully recycled materials.] https://wochenblatt.cc/paraguayerin-unter-den-einflussreichsten-menschen-der-welt/
Podcast: "The first of its kind in Ireland, 'La Sociedad' (The Society) is the brainchild of UCC student Diana Vicezar. The podcast features students from Peru, Spain, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, and Colombia, and aims to provide a space in which they can share their stories and increase the positive representation of their communities." https://www.corkindependent.com/2023/04/14/podcast-sheds-light-on-hispanic-and-latino-students-in-ireland/
Created by Lajmmoore (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 114 past nominations.
I based her based notability on GNG - in that there are three separate topics where she featured inregional, national and international coverage: the recycled houses for stray dogs (Wochenblatt), the recruitment app for international students (Forbes, ABC Paraguay), plus podcast (Cork Independent) plus the awards, especially the Diana Award. There's more coverage on ABC Color that could be added, and it's is considered Paraguay's national newspaper "of record". I focussed on the international coverage but am happy to add to it. Lajmmoore (talk) 09:59, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that the 2023 Aston by-election was the first time in more than 100 years that a government had won a seat from the opposition at an Australian by-election?
Source: "According to William, archbishop of Tyre (died c. 1184 ), some merchants from the Italian city of Amalfi asked the caliph of Egypt for a site within Jerusalem where their fellow countrypeople could stay . He gave them a site within the Christian quarter of Jerusalem , near where the Church of the Holy Sepulchre stands." Nicholson 2001, p. 2
... that transgender health care misinformation has been used to justify legislative restrictions on minor's transgender health care in the United States and United Kingdom?
Comment - a careful reading of the source shows that the main hook is not explicitly verified. The source says that misinformation has led to policy restrictions on health care for transgender people in the U.S. (instead of minors' transgender health care in the United States and United Kingdom). The source does go on to discuss bans on gender-affirming care for minors and misinformation continues to impact support for these bans, but then misinformation has been used to justify legislative restrictions is not verified, and the support is not clarified as legislative support or public support. What would be verified is that transgender health care misinformation has been used to justify legislative restrictions on transgender health care in the United States. In any case, a peer reviewed source would be better than the non-profit Kaiser Family Foundation. Also, there is a questionable sentence in the lede to clear up and stuff about Australia too. starship.paint (talk / cont)13:40, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that Caetano Veloso and Os Mutantes were booed and pelted with food at the III Festival Internacional da Canção? Source: Dunn, Christopher (2010). "It's Forbidden to Forbid: FIC 1968". Brutality Garden: Tropicália and the Emergence of a Brazilian Counterculture. University of North Carolina Press. pp. 129–138. ISBN 978-0-8078-4976-7.
ALT2: ... that twelve musicians, including Vinicius de Moraes, Antônio Carlos Jobim, and Chico Buarque, were arrested for refusing to perform at the V Festival Internacional da Canção? Source: Cabral, Sérgio (2016). Antonio Carlos Jobim: Uma Biografia (in Brazilian Portuguese). Lazuli Editora. pp. 298–299. ISBN 978-85-7865-108-4. Resultado: a polícia, tendo à frente o seu próprio chefe, general França, e o inspetor Sena, da polícia política, saiu em campo e conseguiu deter 12 dos compositores envolvidos, inclusive o próprio Jobim.
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Comment: There are many, many interesting facts about this festival that could work. Let me know which you prefer or if there are any others that catch your eye while looking over the article. If the first one is chosen, I would love for this awesome photo of Nascimento to be used. If not, then potentially the poster in the infobox, designed by Ziraldo, could be used.
Created by Why? I Ask (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
New enough (submitted within one day of creation), long enough (2894 characters). Well sourced (wasn't familiar with Emojipedia and wasn't able to find an editorial policy, but it appears to be regularly cited across emoji-related Wikipedia entries, Wall Street Journal, etc., and it seems prudent to call it out as a source as many articles do). Doesn't appear to be a problem with close paraphrasing or copyvio per Earwig and spot check via ProQuest. Tone is neutral (controversy regarding "co-optation" of the symbol is not discussed in this article yet but might surface in future if reliable sources are found). QPQ is done. That leaves the hook. It certainly got my attention but I'm stuck on the wording. @Panamitsu: What does "most major software companies" mean? Who decided what "the" set of "major" software companies are? Are we confident that we can back up the claim of "most" when challenged at WP:ERRORS? Cielquiparle (talk) 06:16, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Cielquiparle: Thanks for the review. Well the I've taken that from the WSJ's reporting that 7/10 of the largest software companies by market capitalisation use the Sparkles emoji. But now that you bring it up I also have doubts about the wording. I think maybe we should change "major" to "largest" (I've modified the hook to reflect this) but I'm not sure if that solves everything. Any ideas? ―Panamitsu(talk)06:25, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that Astrojildo Pereira, a supporter of the Russian Revolution, would write to newspapers in Brazil to prevent it from being framed in a hostile way?
... that up to 1827, University of Oxford students had to vow never to reconcile with Henry Symeonis, although it appears that by the 1650s everyone forgot why or who he even was?
Source: "Even by that time, one suspects that the oath was of such antiquity that no-one knew anything about it and it was thought best to leave it be ... The oath against Henry Symeonis continued in the University’s statutes for centuries after the events of 1264. ... it was finally abolished five and a half centuries later. The records of the decision taken in 1827 are frustratingly brief and unenlightening."[22]
ALT1: ... that the University of Oxford held onto its grudge with a certain Henry Symeonis for five and a half centuries, long after everyone forgot who he even was?
ALT2: ... that the University of Oxford ignored a royal command to reconcile with Henry Symeonis, put the grudge into its statutes, and held onto it for c. 550 years, even after forgetting who he was?
Artist's concept Matter is stripped from a white dwarf (sphere at lower right) orbiting within the innermost accretion disk surrounding 1ES 1927+654's supermassive black hole
ALT1: ... that the dog Private Chesty was demoted from Private First Class for willful destruction of government property? Source: "He was cited for “willfully… ripping and tearing up a everlast striking bag, of value of about $176.80, military property of the United States.”, same source as above, quoting a rap sheet.
ALT1: ... that Cold War-era Polish sci-fi novel Małe zielone ludziki critiques colonialism while portraying "hope for Africa" as reliant on external socialist-communist and anti-colonial influences? Source: same source
Source: [23] (中巴上世紀八十年代停辦12A線後，此路線在1991年由城巴重新開辦，成為城巴首條專營巴士路線，打破市區近60年來僅由兩間專營巴士公司提供服務的格局。After CMB stopped operating route 12A in the 1980s, Citybus reintroduced the route in 1991. It became Citybus' first franchised bus route, and broke the duopoly in the franchised bus market which had been present in the city area for nearly 60 years.)
ALT1: ... that the singer of "Drizzle" (pictured), one of the earliest Chinese pop songs, used a younger-sounding voice to avoid accusations of lewdness? Source: Zagorski-Thomas, Simon; Jones, Andrew (23 February 2019). "How the World Changed Music: Mao Mao Yu – Li Minghui" (Podcast). BBC World Service. Archived from the original on 15 January 2025. Retrieved 15 January 2025.
ALT2: ... that "Drizzle" (pictured), one of the earliest Chinese pop songs, showed influences from Jewish klezmer? Source: ... that the singer of "'Drizzle" (pictured), one of the earliest Chinese pop songs, used a younger-sounding voice to avoid accusations of lewdness?
... that in the early 1170s Humphrey III of Toron may have been the lord of Transjordan, but he also may have been dead?
Source: "It is not inconceivable that Beatrice predeceased Humphrey, which would have made Humphrey the lord-regent of Transjordan for a brief period, though nowhere is he documented as ever having assumed this position." (Fulton 2024, p. 43.)
I'm not overly attached to ALT0, but I do think it's interesting that this was the first time that it happened and that it was as early as 1953. TompaDompa (talk) 06:10, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that a nightclub fight scene featuring several dozen stunt actors in The Prosecutor was filmed in a long take using a drone and without any post-production effects? Source: [5]
ALT5: ... that Ray Lui agreed to make a cameo appearance in The Prosecutor at Donnie Yen's invitation, even before learning about the storyline? Source: [9]
^Coward, Harold (2012-02-01). "Indian Muslim Critiques of Gandhi". Indian Critiques of Gandhi. Albany: State University of New York Press. p. 213. ISBN978-0-7914-8588-0. When the post-Partition turmoil enveloped Delhi, Gandhi went on a six-day fast (January 12–18, 1948) two weeks before his assassination. Abul Kalam Azad went to Gandhi to ascertain Gandhi's terms for breaking the fast, and then Azad addressed a Delhi crowd of about three hundred thousand people to communicate those terms. Without exception they had to do with Muslim needs: the evacuation of mosques by non-Muslims....
^Layton, Robert; Thomas, Julian, eds. (2003). Destruction and Conservation of Cultural Property. Routledge. pp. 8–9. ISBN9781134604982. Joseph Tieffenthaler (1710-85) was the first to suggest the Babri mosque stood near a site associated with Rama's birthplace. His account was translated from the French by Johann Barnoulli in 1788. Tieffenthaler stated that Aurangzeb, last of the six Mughal emperors, 'got demolished the fortress called Ramcot, and erected on the same place a Mahometan temple'.
^"誤判｜82歲許冠文客串演法官 想有動作戲遭甄子丹派檸檬". Ming Pao (in Chinese). 12 December 2024. Retrieved 15 January 2025. 82歲許冠文在甄子丹監製兼主演的新戲《誤判》中客串飾演法官 / 許冠文說︰「我一直想拍動作場面，但以往啲動作戲都落喺許冠傑身上。我今次想演啲動作戲，但又被甄子丹拒絕。 [82-year-old Michael Hui made a cameo appearance as judge in The Prosecutor produced and starred by Donnie Yen. / Michael Hui said, "I have always wanted to film action scenes, but in the past, the action roles all went to Sam Hui. This time, I wanted to have some action scenes, but Donnie Yen rejected.]
^熊景玉 (20 December 2024). "甄子丹高空墜落急送醫 《誤判》1幕頻重拍老闆好心痛". Mirror Media (in Chinese). Retrieved 10 January 2025. 讓觀眾驚豔的「一個打一百個」的天臺酒吧圍毆重頭戲，甄子丹用到空拍機來拍攝，打手不停上陣的場面。他同時間必需不停和幾十位動作替身輪流交手，難度超級高。他表示這場戲完全不用特效協助，一個鏡頭一路拍下去，「真的很難拍到好，一個40、50人打了幾個通宵。」 [The stunning "one against a hundred" rooftop nightclub fight scene, filmed with drones by Donnie Yen, featuring stunt actors taking turns to fight. He had to continuously engage with several dozens of stunt actors, making it extremely challenging. He stated that the scene required no post-production special effects, filmed in one continuous shot: "It was really hard to get it right, we had 40 or 50 people fighting for several nights."]
^"誤判｜解構電影7大冷知識 甄子丹用拳頭、法律 據理力爭伸張正義". Sing Tao Daily (in Chinese). 18 December 2024. Retrieved 7 January 2025. 黃子桓︰我們要找一個演員，演一名充滿幹勁又衝動的警察。記得有同日同子丹食飯，他問我知不知道誰是MC？他說他不認識，但之前在飯局遇見一個MC的fans不斷跟他說偶像的優點，然後子丹播了一首歌給我聽，說MC唱得很好，我們整餐飯就不斷聽MC的歌。子丹說MC的樣子亦正亦邪，適合演衝動警察。 [Edmond Wong: We needed to find an actor to portray a passionate but impulsive police officer. I remember having dinner with Donnie Yen on the same day, and he asked me if I knew who MC (Cheung Tin-fu) was. He said he did not know him, but at a previous dinner party, a fan kept praising MC's qualities. Then, Yen played a song for me, saying MC sings very well, and we spent the whole dinner listening to his songs. Yen mentioned that MC has both a charming and villainous look, making him suitable for the role of an impulsive police officer.]
^熊景玉 (20 December 2024). "甄子丹高空墜落急送醫 《誤判》1幕頻重拍老闆好心痛". Mirror Media (in Chinese). Retrieved 10 January 2025. 《誤判》還有一場保護證人躲避殺手連環追殺，在香港地鐵狹小空間的MMA格鬥設計，劇組為了這場戲以7位數字港幣搭出三節一比一車廂實景 [In The Prosecutor, there is a scene where a witness is hiding from a continuous assassination attempt, featuring MMA fight choreography in the cramped space of the Hong Kong MTR. The production team invested a seven-digit amount of Hong Kong dollars to build three 1:1 scale train carriages for this scene.]
^"本報甄雲龍主任片中出演角色 甄子丹《誤判》即將北美上映". Sing Tao Daily (in Chinese). 3 January 2025. Retrieved 20 December 2024. 甄子丹這回還找來親爸甄雲龍客串演出父子，由於甄雲龍先生是首度演戲，劇組一開始還有些猶豫，「結果他第一天來就把台詞背好，大家還說你爸演得比你更好」。 [Donnie Yen also invited his father, Klyster Yen, to make a cameo as his character's father. Since this was Mr. Yen's first acting role, the crew was initially hesitant. "But on his first day, he memorized his lines, and everyone said he acted better than you."]
^黃庠棻 (7 January 2025). "甄子丹執導新片…找2大咖老友客串！ 「嚴格不給面子」現場曝光". ETtoday (in Chinese). Retrieved 15 January 2025. 甄子丹當導演更不忘力邀好友一起來為電影增色，像是他多年好友呂良偉，更是二話不說，沒有劇本也不知道演什麼就答應到現場客串 [As a director, Donnie Yen did not forget to invite his friends to enrich the film. For example, his longtime friend Ray Lui, agreed to make a cameo without even asking for a script or learning about the story that he is in.]
^"誤判｜解構電影7大冷知識 甄子丹用拳頭、法律 據理力爭伸張正義". Sing Tao Daily (in Chinese). 18 December 2024. Retrieved 7 January 2025. 又例如拍港鐵打鬥場面，鏡頭要怎樣運用，動作設計要合理，兩位執行導演在正式開拍前，會拍片與子丹討論、修改。子丹拍完《殺神John Wick 4》回來後，荷里活就是他拍片的標準。 [For example, when filming the fight scenes on the MTR, the camera angles and action choreography must be well thought out. Before official commencement of filming, the two action directors would prepare visuals to discuss and revise with Donnie Yen. After starring in John Wick: Chapter 4, Hollywood became Yen's standard for filmmaking.]
^"检察文化出海的一次有益尝试". Sina Finance (in Chinese). Procuratorate Daily [zh]. 11 January 2025. Retrieved 15 January 2025. "最开始我们的设想与电影最终的呈现完全不同。"彭诚笑言，"起初，我们打算做一部传统的法律电影，类似于电影《肖申克的救赎》那样。" [At first, our vision was completely different from the final presentation of the film," Peng Cheng joked. "Initially, we planned to make a traditional legal drama film, similar to The Shawshank Redemption.]
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are we sure mujaddid.net and fnoor.com are reliable sources? neither of them looks like it has professional editorial control/fact-checking... theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 18:20, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Launchballer, I am good with ALT2. Thanks! « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:08, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
@ProfGray: Long enough, new enough. QPQ done and Earwig picks up nothing. I added a {{cn}} tag that needs addressing. More serious, however, is the fact that I don't find any of the hooks to meet WP:DYKINT and I can't see anything in the article that would make a good hook, though the latter may because this is extremely technical.--Launchballer 15:26, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
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Notwithstanding Tbhotch's comment, QPQ has yet to be done. KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 11:20, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for this carefully-detailed article about financial wheeler-dealing. Contrary to above comments, it would seem to me that any intelligent person can smell he stink emanating from that dodgy company, no matter what country they are in. So well done for alerting us to it, and well done for writing hooks which may guide readers to take a good look at the article. I could tell from the hooks alone that there was something very unsafe about the company's handliing of money, so I would certainly not take the hooks as obscure or uninteresting.
Paradox38 the best practice is to have a source located at the end of all the text it is citing within one paragraph (see WP:CONSECUTIVECITE), but if you duplicate it that's not a huge issue. You can ask questions at the WP:TEAHOUSE. Per your withdrawal, marking this for closure. Best, CMD (talk) 22:59, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
Doing... ミラP@Miraclepine 23:20, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
Hello Laffuble, welcome to DYK, I hope you have a wonderful time here! I have a few concerns regarding the article which I will outline below, and will ping Chidgk1 since there are outstanding inquiries about the state of this article: 
Great hooks! I think ALT1 and ALT2 are most interesting, though I recommend removing "the The Flash episode" from each for concision/more of a surprising effect. I am approving ALT2 as properly cited as-is. The "two years" claim in ALT1 isn't entirely verified by the currently cited source, but [4] (from the article) does verify it, so I'll say that's also approved.
Reviewing... (CC) Tbhotch™ 20:18, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
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